frizzell54 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Nothing will happen until investment/take-over settled imo. Edited September 19, 2017 by frizzell54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 hours ago, singe said: Interestingly, the UK source Sport Witness is based in Manchester and quite strange details of who shares the same residential adress. Go on, I'll humour you - who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 hours ago, rigsby said: My bad, i thought it was JS. Post still stands tho...i think JS has huge limitations. It doesn't though. Shez has been in charge of us for around 220 games and lost about 70 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: I think people are over selling how well we played on saturday I thought we were indisciplined and abit naive at times. Then again I get the impression sometimes that people would love seeing us lose 4-3 every week. This isn't a Shez out post I just think he needs to fine tune it abit more still before we can say we've turned the corner. Who are these 'people'? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: I think people are over selling how well we played on saturday I thought we were indisciplined and abit naive at times. Then again I get the impression sometimes that people would love seeing us lose 4-3 every week. If we could produce 4-3's every week we wouldn't lose them all. In fact, we won most of them last time we could... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 49 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: If we could produce 4-3's every week we wouldn't lose them all. In fact, we won most of them last time we could... But who were the centre back pairing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 When will Oldham Athletic's new arrivals feature under John Sheridan? http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oldham-athletic-signings-news-sheridan-13644535#ICID=Android_MENNewsApp_AppShare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, BP1960 said: When will Oldham Athletic's new arrivals feature under John Sheridan? http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oldham-athletic-signings-news-sheridan-13644535#ICID=Android_MENNewsApp_AppShare When they've played games and got match fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: When they've played games and got match fit Have a friendly against Sheffield United this week to give them a run out I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Perimeter West Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 35 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Have a friendly against Sheffield United this week to give them a run out I believe. I'm sure before the game Saturday Sheridan said they played a behind closed doors game seems no one knows of it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 3 hours ago, HarryBosch said: If we could produce 4-3's every week we wouldn't lose them all. In fact, we won most of them last time we could... We played this way for the last 4 games we've only taken 4 points that will relegate us. The team 12 months ago was too defensive we've gone too far the other way right now and we are too gung-ho. It just needs a subtle change tell Gardner and Bryan to not get beyond the ball and draft Stott in for Gerrard as he is more suited to that left sided centre back position and it should be enough to see us look that little bit more solid. You can then let Byrne play his natural game behind Davies and Doyle who will terrorise most defences in this league. With Mclaughlin and Gevaro playing as attack minded wing backs and that will be enough to ensure we are far more balanced having a solid base when we are defending and we will still easily score twice as many goals as last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: We played this way for the last 4 games we've only taken 4 points that will relegate us. The team 12 months ago was too defensive we've gone too far the other way right now and we are too gung-ho. We've not played in a way that would produce 4-3's really, apart from the 4-3 maybe I disagree we're too gung ho aswell. We could arguably have it spot on if it wasn't for individual errors in goal and in defence. Also, any lack of cover from midfield that's contributed to goals conceded has been down to bad play/bad decisions rather than us being too gung ho. Even Gevaro was pretty much in the right position defensively before dropping the bollock that led to Ruddy dropping his bollock on Saturday. Reason to be cheerful really that with a bit of tweaking or an improvement in form/decision making from a handful of players we could really start firing. Consider too that we've been scoring against sides protecting leads, often early leads. We might start knocking in 3's and 4's if we can start getting ahead more often meaning opposition teams have to open up more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: We could arguably have it spot on if it wasn't for individual errors in goal and in defence. Ah the individual error smoke screen! A team is made up of 11 individuals...if 2 or 3 play well and score goals you will probably win....if 2 or 3 don't play well and make mistakes you will probably lose. I have yet to hear anybody say if it wasn't for individual moments of class we would have lost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Magister said: Ah the individual error smoke screen! A team is made up of 11 individuals...if 2 or 3 play well and score goals you will probably win....if 2 or 3 don't play well and make mistakes you will probably lose. I have yet to hear anybody say if it wasn't for individual moments of class we would have lost? If it wasn't for individual moments of class we would have lost at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: If it wasn't for individual moments of class we would have lost at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers. Thank you. In the keep net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, HarryBosch said: If it wasn't for individual moments of class we would have lost at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers. Conversely if it wasn't for an individual moment of class we would have had a draw against Charlton. Did we win many games through individual brilliance last season? We probably got a few draws but I can't remember winning via an individual moment of class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, rudemedic said: Conversely if it wasn't for an individual moment of class we would have had a draw against Charlton. Did we win many games through individual brilliance last season? We probably got a few draws but I can't remember winning via an individual moment of class. Exactly ....moments of individual class are the mark of a good side, while individual errors are a hallmark of a poor side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, HarryBosch said: We've not played in a way that would produce 4-3's really, apart from the 4-3 maybe I disagree we're too gung ho aswell. We could arguably have it spot on if it wasn't for individual errors in goal and in defence. Also, any lack of cover from midfield that's contributed to goals conceded has been down to bad play/bad decisions rather than us being too gung ho. Even Gevaro was pretty much in the right position defensively before dropping the bollock that led to Ruddy dropping his bollock on Saturday. Reason to be cheerful really that with a bit of tweaking or an improvement in form/decision making from a handful of players we could really start firing. Consider too that we've been scoring against sides protecting leads, often early leads. We might start knocking in 3's and 4's if we can start getting ahead more often meaning opposition teams have to open up more. The evidence clearly suggests we are too gung-ho We've conceded 18 goals so far that is the worst defensive record in the league hence we are bottom of the league. Not only that but in games against Bristol Rovers and Fleetwood we had the lead and didn't hold onto it against Bristol Rovers we got away with it. But that's going to start demoralising our attacking players knowing that they have to score 2 just to get a point. I'm not suggesting we try and win every game 1-0 just be abit more pragmatic than what we are now. Edited September 20, 2017 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I think it is indeed fair to say we have conceded some very poor goals too date. Both last Saturday were poor down to (1st) Ruddy pawing the ball in to the centre of the goal 8 yards out. (2nd) Clarke just blasting the ball against the attacker. Whilst at the other end Doyle missing his open net after a great move and initially great work from Doyle. Lesser so Davies' header from the free kick, that was a well drilled training pitch routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 12 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: We played this way for the last 4 games we've only taken 4 points that will relegate us. The team 12 months ago was too defensive we've gone too far the other way right now and we are too gung-ho. It just needs a subtle change tell Gardner and Bryan to not get beyond the ball and draft Stott in for Gerrard as he is more suited to that left sided centre back position and it should be enough to see us look that little bit more solid. You can then let Byrne play his natural game behind Davies and Doyle who will terrorise most defences in this league. With Mclaughlin and Gevaro playing as attack minded wing backs and that will be enough to ensure we are far more balanced having a solid base when we are defending and we will still easily score twice as many goals as last season. If only Sheridan could see what we see huh? ...It's simple this game of Football. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: The evidence clearly suggests we are too gung-ho We've conceded 18 goals so far that is the worst defensive record in the league hence we are bottom of the league. Not only that but in games against Bristol Rovers and Fleetwood we had the lead and didn't hold onto it against Bristol Rovers we got away with it. From the outside looking in the evidence might suggest that but, I've been at most of our games and I don't think we are. Against Bristol Rovers we conceded the two goals after we replaced our main attacking midfielder with our main defensive midfielder. Edited September 20, 2017 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 14 hours ago, BP1960 said: Have a friendly against Sheffield United this week to give them a run out I believe. Looks like we played Macc yesterday https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/silkmen-xi-draw-with-oldham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: The evidence clearly suggests we are too gung-ho We've conceded 18 goals so far that is the worst defensive record in the league hence we are bottom of the league. Not only that but in games against Bristol Rovers and Fleetwood we had the lead and didn't hold onto it against Bristol Rovers we got away with it. But that's going to start demoralising our attacking players knowing that they have to score 2 just to get a point. I'm not suggesting we try and win every game 1-0 just be abit more pragmatic than what we are now. the evidence clearly suggests that we have a shit defence, nothing else Edited September 20, 2017 by ChaddySmoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: Looks like we played Macc yesterday https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/silkmen-xi-draw-with-oldham And conceded the statutory two goals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: And conceded the statutory two goals... Which keepers though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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