unsworth blue Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 If you look at teams who have won major Tournaments on a regular basis over a sustained period of time, Italy and Germany are two that have mastered this art over the years without ever really being the best team there and Portugal have just arrived at this stage, winning a tournament without winning more than one match in 90 minutes. I recall pretty much all England's glorious or not so glorious fuck ups since 1970, hadn't quite realised just how dross our Euros record was until further scrutinising it (i.e. never won a knockout game in 90 minutes until last night). We have no record ever of doing well in the Euros - 1996 "Its coming home" was a mixture of 2 graet performances (V Holland 4-1) and the glorious defeat in the semis with Germany and 3 bang average displays v Swiss (1-1), Scots (2-0) and Spain (0-0 won on pens). I am sick to death of glorious failure or overhyped bad luck, we have no track record at all in the Euros and all 8 teams left offer something if only pride and passion. Take each game at a time lads, they are not weighed down by our abysmal history like the fans, play the game not the occasion and be the last man standing - an art mastered by the Germans and Italians over the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 It goes without saying we'd want to be going all out and winning each game 4-0. But we have a different game plan, and it's working. And its one that's more likely to bring success in my opinion. Watching the France game the other night, when Pogba was given a hospital pass and lost possession, Switzerland had a 5 vs 5 attack. It was injury time and France were 3-2 up at the time. They've paid the price, as have other expansive teams. I'd much rather win the thing than have another hard luck story with the odd great game to reminisce about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Dave_Og said: He'll do for me. Why he continues to get dog's abuse is bewildering If he does get ‘dog’s abuse’ then that is just a symptom of the ‘on-line, phone-in generation’ and sadly is what happens. I seem to remember Bobby Robson being vilified in the press for his tactical approach before England suddenly found a system that worked. It’s not black and white but it also seems that any opinion that expresses dissatisfaction with the way England are set up to play is criticised because we’re grinding out victories. England are ranked the fourth best team in the world (behind Belgium, France and Brazil). We have three players in Kane, Grealish and Sancho who are currently the subject of ‘stupid money’ transfer speculation. We have a squad full of exciting attacking talent. We have a squad captained by Kane that contains a further four players who captain their Premier League sides - so no shortage of leadership. Southgate will get no ‘dogs abuse’ from me - just a plea to adopt a more expansive and quicker style of play given the array of talent at his disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Dave_Og said: It's best explained by the Talksport tendency which has taken on from the very similar Sun tendency which was just as in your face and aggressive but at least only came out once a day. Everything is brilliant or terrible, jet black or brilliant white etc. The phone in culture which means that Darren from Kidderminster really does believe that his view is just as valid as genuine experts has a lot to answer for. The BBC is just as bad now; Savage and Sutton are absolutely unlistenable as there only role is to wind people up into a frenzy and get them foaming down the phone. The original 606 days of Danny Baker with funny away day tales and the like were the halcyon days - long gone Funny how Savage's complaints about Wales' travelling has been swept under the carpet following the Swiss knocking out France. As the Swiss had travelled further than the Welsh. He's truly awful and needs to memorise Richie Benaud's rules for commentators before any broadcaster let's him near a live microphone again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 8 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: Southgate has picked 4 different teams against 4 different oppositions so far. Its working stick to the game plan of picking the team for the game you are playing. We will probably see Grealish start in the next game as we will get more of the ball against the Ukraine. We don't need to become an "entertaining team" just to appease the populists stick to the plan its working. Picking a team to best match the opposition also prevents the opposition from planning their tactics around stopping you. Opposition managers will know some but not all of England's starters. Planning for a front 3 of Saka - Kane - Sterling isn't the same as planning for a front 3 of Foden - Kane - Sterling with Mount just behind. Southgate has also recognised that some players play against their opposite number in club games clear psychological advantages can be gained. See Saka against the Czech full back he had tormented in the Europa League. Eventually England will meet a side good enough to cope with changing shape and with a good manager to recognise that shape change is needed. I think there are 3 teams left who can do that but we can only meet 1 of them in the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I like Southgate he’s not the most adventurous manager but he’s a gentleman and compared to McLaren and Hodgson I’d have him any day of the week and twice on a Sunday After the absolute sickening corrupt mess that is Sam (chew gum faster than I open brown envelopes) Allardyce he was just the guy we needed. The guy can only play whats in front of him (if we get promoted will we shrug our shoulders because a league 2 is shit and we should go up)? No we will jump around like dickheads Southgate got us to a World Cup semi final for the first time since 90 We have absolutely romped our qualifying games We have won our first knockout Euro match in years and beaten the Germans for the first time since 66 in the process A couple of more wins he will have the highest win % of any England manager and just might bag us a major trophy at the same time The guy is doing ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 50 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: I like Southgate he’s not the most adventurous manager but he’s a gentleman and compared to McLaren and Hodgson I’d have him any day of the week and twice on a Sunday After the absolute sickening corrupt mess that is Sam (chew gum faster than I open brown envelopes) Allardyce he was just the guy we needed. The guy can only play whats in front of him (if we get promoted will we shrug our shoulders because a league 2 is shit and we should go up)? No we will jump around like dickheads Southgate got us to a World Cup semi final for the first time since 90 We have absolutely romped our qualifying games We have won our first knockout Euro match in years and beaten the Germans for the first time since 66 in the process A couple of more wins he will have the highest win % of any England manager and just might bag us a major trophy at the same time The guy is doing ok Yeah. . But I still don’t like rice and Phillips in the same side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 After the round of 16, scottakie appears to be running away with it. The Jorvik/maddog household leads the chasing pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Stevie_J said: After the round of 16, scottakie appears to be running away with it. The Jorvik/maddog household leads the chasing pack. My QF picks will see me threaten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 20 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said: I like Southgate he’s not the most adventurous manager but he’s a gentleman and compared to McLaren and Hodgson I’d have him any day of the week and twice on a Sunday After the absolute sickening corrupt mess that is Sam (chew gum faster than I open brown envelopes) Allardyce he was just the guy we needed. The guy can only play whats in front of him (if we get promoted will we shrug our shoulders because a league 2 is shit and we should go up)? No we will jump around like dickheads Southgate got us to a World Cup semi final for the first time since 90 We have absolutely romped our qualifying games We have won our first knockout Euro match in years and beaten the Germans for the first time since 66 in the process A couple of more wins he will have the highest win % of any England manager and just might bag us a major trophy at the same time The guy is doing ok Southgate has one big advantage over previous managers. He has a wealth of young talent that England has been missing for ever. We have always had weaknesses in certain positions and personally I think the centre backs are still a bit suspect, which is why Southgate is playing two defensive midfielders to protect them. Phillips wouldn't be in the side if Henderson had been fit for the first game. He showed in that game what he can do and has kept Henderson out of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 2:16 PM, Magic Mikey said: I totally agree with the comments about Southgate's caution. I'm going to take on the Monty role and try and launch a boat of optimism. Although Scotland are a minor footballing nation, this was their World Cup final. We beat Croatia comfortably without looking like conceding. The Scotland display might shake the manager into sending out a more positive team. Remember 96. Doom and gloom after an initial poor draw. Narrowly beat Scotland to get to four points then annihilated Holland. Only a penalty shoot out away from the final. Channel your inner Gazza and believe. Hands up from me. You know what you're doing Gareth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 8:51 PM, Chaddyexile84 said: My QF picks will see me threaten Update: they haven’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Update: they haven’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Just now, League one forever said: Got my semi on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 58 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Got my semi on I was nursing mine until the second went in. . then the inevitable happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Rome hasnt changed in over two thousand years. Still throwing the weak to the lions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 Here are the tables after the quarter finals. scottakie stays top of the table but, having looked like he might run away with it, he’s been reined in a little going into the semi finals stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 38 minutes ago, Stevie_J said: Here are the tables after the quarter finals. scottakie stays top of the table but, having looked like he might run away with it, he’s been reined in a little going into the semi finals stage. I see the best real life and fantasy league manager is smashing it in 26th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Only one place to go to my coveted 17th slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Changing the shape and taking Grealish off was one of the bravest managerial decisions I have ever seen. In any field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris15Arm Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Changing the shape and taking Grealish off was one of the bravest managerial decisions I have ever seen. In any field. I've never understood managers who do that. Number 1 to take off a player who can hold the ball, and number 2 go defensive when we controlled for the previous half hous as we were! Got there in the end though! I'd start grealish on Sunday after that. Hel have a point to prove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 He's a proper leader Gary Neville was spot on when you see the state of the leaders in this country Johnson Patel Hancock Corbyn Farage all useless lieing scumbags. Southgate makes the right decisions is pragmatic is Honest and leads through doing the right thing he shuts out the noise of the media and the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chris15Arm said: I've never understood managers who do that. Number 1 to take off a player who can hold the ball, and number 2 go defensive when we controlled for the previous half hous as we were! Got there in the end though! I'd start grealish on Sunday after that. Hel have a point to prove We won... Every single decision he has made has worked out. A phenomenal managerial achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 16 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Changing the shape and taking Grealish off was one of the bravest managerial decisions I have ever seen. In any field. Reminded me a bit of van Gaal bringing Tim Krul on just for the penalty shoot out at the 2014 World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Just now, SweeperKeeper said: Reminded me a bit of van Gaal bringing Tim Krul on just for the penalty shoot out at the 2014 World Cup. Good one. Although I dare say that was planned in advance and I doubt last night's change was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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