Dave_Og Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: We could smash this league from the start with a bit of luck however If we start slowly which I suspect we will, it’s going to be toxic on here and in the ground. There are 5 or 6 new players to integrate so it It may well take a month or two to settle. If we don't get off to a decent start I think I'll stay off here for a while! As, in contrast to just about every other season in memory, we got the bulk of our business done early I'd hope that the pre-season training and friendlies greatly reduces the need to wait a while to gel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 In addition to my last post, I don't see why there is anger on repeat about the playing style from a number of posters. It's been relatively constant since Unsworth joined. If the club and Unsworth were promising attractive attacking football but not delivering then fine. But they aren't. He's been pretty clear about it. The only type of football they want is winning football, so judge him on that. Win, lose or draw we'll probably see it all this season too. It's repetitive and tedious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, nzlatic said: In addition to my last post, I don't see why there is anger on repeat about the playing style from a number of posters. It's been relatively constant since Unsworth joined. If the club and Unsworth were promising attractive attacking football but not delivering then fine. But they aren't. He's been pretty clear about it. The only type of football they want is winning football, so judge him on that. Win, lose or draw we'll probably see it all this season too. It's repetitive and tedious. Yep, agreed. I do wish people would stop hoping/thinking he will evolve. He won’t. He’s playing the football he was known for at Everton, and is just continuing it here. The term Rhinoball has become glib but it’s a definite style he wants to play. Which is fine as long as we win. We’ll do better this year, not because his style has evolved but because quite simply we’ve got fitter, faster and generally better players. I will keep saying this as well; hard to beat, must not lose first - is fine as long as you win! But without the result some need to understand why fans get frustrated, because there is absolutely no denying we’re not great to watch without the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 54 minutes ago, nzlatic said: In addition to my last post, I don't see why there is anger on repeat about the playing style from a number of posters. It's been relatively constant since Unsworth joined. If the club and Unsworth were promising attractive attacking football but not delivering then fine. But they aren't. He's been pretty clear about it. The only type of football they want is winning football, so judge him on that. Win, lose or draw we'll probably see it all this season too. It's repetitive and tedious. Anger? Some of us want to see attractive football, Unsworth isn't going to deliver that, therefore it has to be tedious stuff with results, I don't think he is good enough to do this either. It's only my opinion, I hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Bobledgersheart said: The players that have been assembled have plenty of attacking potential and that should be unleashed as soon as possible once the season proper starts. Why wait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Why wait? Because results don't matter until the season starts so we've time to tinker in pre-season. I agree we should hit the ground running but we've three more goes to get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Please stop saying Rhinoball, I beg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 FFS. It took Wrexham 14 years and a billionaire to get out of this league, Notts County 4 years and a joblot of cash and it's Chesterfields 5th season I think this year who are also splashing the cash. All this bollocks about we should be getting promoted in style and flexing our muscles is irrelevant! We just need to win 30 games or so in any way we can and we should go up...end of. Being solid, organised and compact first is the way to go as we have enough up top to score plenty of goals. I'd take the 1-0 to the Arsenal approach any day of the week if we win 30 games 1-0 and go up. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Londonboy said: FFS. It took Wrexham 14 years and a billionaire to get out of this league, Notts County 4 years and a joblot of cash and it's Chesterfields 5th season I think this year who are also splashing the cash. All this bollocks about we should be getting promoted in style and flexing our muscles is irrelevant! We just need to win 30 games or so in any way we can and we should go up...end of. Being solid, organised and compact first is the way to go as we have enough up top to score plenty of goals. I'd take the 1-0 to the Arsenal approach any day of the week if we win 30 games 1-0 and go up. And it seems like many have forgotten we won 4 and drew 2 of our last six games last season, and have in my view an already more balanced and higher quality squad, so can some people cheer the fuck up!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Londonboy said: FFS. It took Wrexham 14 years and a billionaire to get out of this league, Notts County 4 years and a joblot of cash and it's Chesterfields 5th season I think this year who are also splashing the cash. All this bollocks about we should be getting promoted in style and flexing our muscles is irrelevant! We just need to win 30 games or so in any way we can and we should go up...end of. Being solid, organised and compact first is the way to go as we have enough up top to score plenty of goals. I'd take the 1-0 to the Arsenal approach any day of the week if we win 30 games 1-0 and go up. It took Luton a fair few goes too til they cracked it. Didn’t seem to hold them back much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 52 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Please stop saying Rhinoball, I beg. Sounds better than Davesball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Just seen the highlights from Saturday and am struggling to see why Nuttall would get a yellow, never mind a straight red. Unless he swore at the Ref or farted out of turn it seems an official playing "Billy Big Bollocks". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Londonboy said: FFS. It took Wrexham 14 years and a billionaire to get out of this league, Notts County 4 years and a joblot of cash and it's Chesterfields 5th season I think this year who are also splashing the cash. All this bollocks about we should be getting promoted in style and flexing our muscles is irrelevant! We just need to win 30 games or so in any way we can and we should go up...end of. Being solid, organised and compact first is the way to go as we have enough up top to score plenty of goals. I'd take the 1-0 to the Arsenal approach any day of the week if we win 30 games 1-0 and go up. Pep Guardiola's fault. He might have "changed football" at the highest level, but people (not just our fans) watch his team on sky play all the tippy tappy bollocks and expect lower league plodders to be able to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: Just seen the highlights from Saturday and am struggling to see why Nuttall would get a yellow, never mind a straight red. Unless he swore at the Ref or farted out of turn it seems an official playing "Billy Big Bollocks". He literally hits him in the face 10ft from the referee and whilst clearly being watched by the lino too. This should start almost exactly as he does it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Gaz_Oafc said: Pep Guardiola's fault. He might have "changed football" at the highest level, but people (not just our fans) watch his team on sky play all the tippy tappy bollocks and expect lower league plodders to be able to do it. Plenty of lower league teams playing football that is easy on the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ackey said: He literally hits him in the face 10ft from the referee and whilst clearly being watched by the lino too. This should start almost exactly as he does it Sorry, missed that was just looking at the "handbags" bit earlier. Not much gets past you Ackey !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penrhyn Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 The lad who elbowed willoughby should have gone too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Londonboy said: FFS. It took Wrexham 14 years and a billionaire to get out of this league, Notts County 4 years and a joblot of cash and it's Chesterfields 5th season I think this year who are also splashing the cash. It also only took Grimsby one season after a summer change of ownership... Our owners have been fantastic and have given Unsworth a competitive budget. If he's not going to entertain, then he has to win and the pressure should rightly be on from the off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, penrhyn said: The lad who elbowed willoughby should have gone too. There were a few nasty challenges from Southport players just in those brief highlights. Stupid from Nuttall but the guy tried kicking him which then carried on and he went back at him 2 or 3 times. Should have hit him harder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, JoeP said: It also only took Grimsby one season after a summer change of ownership... Our owners have been fantastic and have given Unsworth a competitive budget. If he's not going to entertain, then he has to win and the pressure should rightly be on from the off. I think the point about it taking some teams a few seasons is not that that is the only way, more that if it does take that long then it's not the end of the world. Obviously not preferrable, we'd rather go up this season, but the way some talk is as if it's all or nothing. Regarding pressure from the off, I'm certain it will be with a chunk of the fan base. But again, this new board do not seem to be reactionary bedwetters. As long as we're in the hunt he'll be given time to achieve. Doesn't mean they won't get rid though if he's not achieving in their eyes of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Londonboy said: FFS. It took Wrexham 14 years and a billionaire to get out of this league, Notts County 4 years and a joblot of cash and it's Chesterfields 5th season I think this year who are also splashing the cash. 14 years, 4 years, 5 years - how many years of those 5, 4 or 14 was the running of those clubs stable/stablish giving them the ability to recruit a bit/quite a bit better than the rest? That's the key and that's what we're told we've got. We should be at the end of our "it took Oldham x years to get out of this league" as opposed to in the mires Wrexham, Notts & Chesterfield were once in during/before the timescales you've used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 33 minutes ago, JoeP said: It also only took Grimsby one season after a summer change of ownership... Our owners have been fantastic and have given Unsworth a competitive budget. If he's not going to entertain, then he has to win and the pressure should rightly be on from the off. Agreed he seems to have been given the budget to improve the squad which I think its safe to say he appears to have done so....on paper anyway! So are you now saying you'd be happy if we play "unentertaining" football but win most weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Londonboy said: Agreed he seems to have been given the budget to improve the squad which I think its safe to say he appears to have done so....on paper anyway! So are you now saying you'd be happy if we play "unentertaining" football but win most weeks? I think I'd struggle to get enthusiastic about it until it did actually look like we were going up but would accept it is what it is... I wouldn't feel guilty about missing the odd home game. I want to, though. I want to feel like I'd be missing out. Oh and I'd fucking moan about it on here.. Edited July 17, 2023 by JoeP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, nzlatic said: It took Luton a fair few goes too til they cracked it. Didn’t seem to hold them back much. It took them 4 goes including 2 play off final defeats 1 of which was on penalties no doubt both will have been gut wrenching. They pretty much were stable throughout I think they had their turnaround season in season 1. After that it was promotion challenges until they got out. From now on I expect for every season we are in this division for us to be challenging for promotion we've built the foundations now assuming Frank won't start turning into Simon Corney in the next 2 years We should be 1 of the favourites to go up aslo g as we are in the national league. Edited July 17, 2023 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: 14 years, 4 years, 5 years - how many years of those 5, 4 or 14 was the running of those clubs stable/stablish giving them the ability to recruit a bit/quite a bit better than the rest? That's the key and that's what we're told we've got. We should be at the end of our "it took Oldham x years to get out of this league" as opposed to in the mires Wrexham, Notts & Chesterfield were once in during/before the timescales you've used. Notts lost in the playoffs 3 years in row before their last minute winner in this year's final, and Chesterfield have also lost in the playoffs in last 3 years. Both were backed with decent budgets over those periods but didn't go up. I'm just saying it's bloody hard and we have no right to assume just because we are Oldham, and have spent a few quid we will walk the league playing entertaining football....we won't! Wrexham Notts and Chesterfield were mile's better than us last season even though we got a couple of flukey results against them so we have a fair way to go in my humble opinion. I'd settle for a scrambled 6th place finish...playing solid football...and an extra time winner in the playoff final....just like Grimsby did 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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