Hands on Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I really really really would like to see a copy of the Financial Fair Play Rules. If they are just a wages cap in relation to turnover as the 'gifting' of money for transfer fees suggests then there must be all sorts of loopholes for the owner with money to strengthen their squad! We have seen players who sat back and took the money rather than trying their hardest but Forte was not one of those and it is in his own best interests to continue to perform unless he sees his career coming to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Guru Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I really really really would like to see a copy of the Financial Fair Play Rules. If they are just a wages cap in relation to turnover as the 'gifting' of money for transfer fees suggests then there must be all sorts of loopholes for the owner with money to strengthen their squad! We have seen players who sat back and took the money rather than trying their hardest but Forte was not one of those and it is in his own best interests to continue to perform unless he sees his career coming to an end. Of course there are loopholes...they could get a subsidiary company to sponsor the tea lady's uniform for £2,000,000 if they wanted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) FFP doesn't apply to our league. The SCMP does. http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/financial-fair-play-league-one-8560150 Of course there are loopholes. The purpose isn't to stop clubs spending money, it's to stop them spending unsustainably and getting into debts they can't repay. So a loan is out, as that would have to be paid back. But a direct donation is fine. As I understand it, if a direct donation is used to pay the transfer fee of an expensive player, there's nothing wrong with that. But when next season comes round that player's ongoing wages will factor into SCMP wages vs turnover calculations. If the club is out of line as a result, then they'll get sanctioned. Edited July 24, 2015 by Crusoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I really really really would like to see a copy of the Financial Fair Play Rules. If they are just a wages cap in relation to turnover as the 'gifting' of money for transfer fees suggests then there must be all sorts of loopholes for the owner with money to strengthen their squad! We have seen players who sat back and took the money rather than trying their hardest but Forte was not one of those and it is in his own best interests to continue to perform unless he sees his career coming to an end. Ofcourse their are loopholes how else are Bury signing all those players yet abiding by FFP? Forte would have taken a move but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to play for us, and won't be fully committed to us when he pulls on the number 11 shirt. His fitness can be questioned his attitude shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Ofcourse their are loopholes how else are Bury signing all those players yet abiding by FFP? Forte would have taken a move but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to play for us, and won't be fully committed to us when he pulls on the number 11 shirt. His fitness can be questioned his attitude shouldn't be. You would hope so, but we cannot make that assertion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 You would hope so, but we cannot make that assertion. Nothing is certain but it's a fair assumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I'm glad my chest-spanning JONATHAN FORTE tattoo I had done last season wasn't in vain then. Phew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I think he still ends up going there if they are getting desperate towards the end of the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I think he still ends up going there if they are getting desperate towards the end of the window. Nah...I reckon they have only offered him a pay as you play so he'll stay put where he's paid regardless of playing or injured. That offer won't change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dec666 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Nah...I reckon they have only offered him a pay as you play so he'll stay put where he's paid regardless of playing or injured. That offer won't change! You're probably right, they must have offered him a pretty poor deal for him not to move closer to home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarondo Westy Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I think he still ends up going there if they are getting desperate towards the end of the window. I agree with this x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Ofcourse their are loopholes how else are Bury signing all those players yet abiding by FFP? Forte would have taken a move but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to play for us, and won't be fully committed to us when he pulls on the number 11 shirt. His fitness can be questioned his attitude shouldn't be. The clubs agreed a fee so Forte had no option but to go and see them. He then asks for a substantial pay rise which he thinks they can afford. doesn't get it so no skin off his nose he stays on a contract with us for another 12 moths which was probably the same as the length of contract offered by them. Regarding FFP couldn't an owner also gift some of a players wages as well as a transfer fee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Of course he has an option. The club's can agree a fee but if Forte doesn't want the move then it doesn't happen.....he has a contract for another year and if he says no to any move then it's no!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robboman Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 http://mobile.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/article/match-preview-oldham-athletic-v-blackburn-rovers-2569618.aspx Are them quotes by Jones or forte? If Jones like it seems, what injury was he carrying last season?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penrhyn Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Jones he was interviewed on player and mentioned he has a niggling injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Hopefully get cassidy fit and hopefully try to re-create the partnership that forte and ibehre had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Of course he has an option. The club's can agree a fee but if Forte doesn't want the move then it doesn't happen.....he has a contract for another year and if he says no to any move then it's no!! Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The clubs agreed a fee so Forte had no option but to go and see them. He then asks for a substantial pay rise which he thinks they can afford. doesn't get it so no skin off his nose he stays on a contract with us for another 12 moths which was probably the same as the length of contract offered by them. Regarding FFP couldn't an owner also gift some of a players wages as well as a transfer fee? He could have rejected them without negotiation but he would have been daft to do that someone offers you a job you would be a fool to not find out what it was about. Like you say it's no skin off his nose. I think a gift for wages would be outside FFP so I would say unlikely as wages are measured against turnover and a gift won't be included in turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 As I understood it gifts are included in turnover. If someone donates cash it counts. If it's a loan it doesn't. But remember that if you have a lot of players on high wages as a result of gifts you could be in trouble with SCMP calculations in future years, so it's not the loophole it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 As I understood it gifts are included in turnover. If someone donates cash it counts. If it's a loan it doesn't. But remember that if you have a lot of players on high wages as a result of gifts you could be in trouble with SCMP calculations in future years, so it's not the loophole it seems.Hsurely they would just make it two gifts - one each year - to cover a two year contract.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Yes, I'm pretty sure they could. The point of SCMP isn't to stop clubs spending, it's to stop them spending beyond their means, getting into unsustainable debt, and ending up bust. If some sugar daddy is willing to fund them no strings attached every year I think they'd get away with it. But if it's only one year, they'll be subject to the wage/turnover limit next season and have to think ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 As I understood it gifts are included in turnover. If someone donates cash it counts. If it's a loan it doesn't. But remember that if you have a lot of players on high wages as a result of gifts you could be in trouble with SCMP calculations in future years, so it's not the loophole it seems. Putting my bean counter hat on here if someone invests in a business whether it be a gift or a loan it can't be in included as turnover it's merely recorded as a capital asset for the company. A way round it and I would imagine the way round this for most is if the money is recorded as sponsorship I.e. Owner sponsors ground for £X although I believe at Uefa level atleast this is scrutinised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Putting my bean counter hat on here if someone invests in a business whether it be a gift or a loan it can't be in included as turnover it's merely recorded as a capital asset for the company. A way round it and I would imagine the way round this for most is if the money is recorded as sponsorship I.e. Owner sponsors ground for £X although I believe at Uefa level atleast this is scrutinised. Are you not applying normal tax/accountancy/business rules to the law unto itself that is football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics and England Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 It is quite possibly he's happy here but thought that Barnsley were going to offer him a contract beyond the end of the season. In his current situation he would be daft to pass up on a longer term contract. If when he spoke to them it became apparent that they would only give him a year he may have turned round and said "I like it at Oldham I'll stay there if I'm gaining nothing by moving". This would fit in with not agreeing personal terms and would in no way suggest he's not happy here. Or he might have just failed the medical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 It is quite possibly he's happy here but thought that Barnsley were going to offer him a contract beyond the end of the season. In his current situation he would be daft to pass up on a longer term contract. If when he spoke to them it became apparent that they would only give him a year he may have turned round and said "I like it at Oldham I'll stay there if I'm gaining nothing by moving". This would fit in with not agreeing personal terms and would in no way suggest he's not happy here. Or he might have just failed the medical I think if he genuinely failed the medical they would have said so....there's no reason not to is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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