Dave_Og Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, BP1960 said: Better than what Bury have found? Cheaper......... Edited February 25, 2019 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Cheaper......... Some fans just aren’t getting this. You get what you pay for, or in Bury’s case, you get what you remortgage for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshaw Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Scholes darting up the tunnel at full time was embarrassing. Maybe he was going to look for an hairdryer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnnyPimp said: Some fans just aren’t getting this. You get what you pay for, or in Bury’s case, you get what you remortgage for. Not always so, there are unpolished gems about. Much easier for agents to bring in journeymen though. Edited February 25, 2019 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Not always so, there are unpolished gems about. Much easier for agents to bring in journeyman though. There's a lot of competition for those unpolished gems though bp. At the minute it looks like we've got our pick of the French 3rd division... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Scholes rested players against Morecambe for the Bury game. Why would you do that when we all knew 3 points against Bury was a long shot ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Saturday showed that we are a long way from where we need to be and significant investment will be needed in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, doctor evil said: There's a lot of competition for those unpolished gems though bp. At the minute it looks like we've got our pick of the French 3rd division... The art of scouting has gone, its all agents and computer analysts analysts these days. Don't think many clubs actually send anyone to watch live games, its mainly video footage, which to me isn't the same as being at a match I'm a dinosaur, so my views like Rick Holden's are apparently redundant and dismissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, BP1960 said: The art of scouting has gone, its all agents and computer analysts analysts these days. Don't think many clubs actually send anyone to watch live games, its mainly video footage, which to me isn't the same as being at a match I'm a dinosaur, so my views like Rick Holden's are apparently redundant and dismissed. I see you as one of the most respected and knowledgeable posters but there is no point in pretending the world hasn't changed; it has. Ideally recruitment methods would be a blend of the old and the new but there's no point in just bemoaning the modern way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I see you as one of the most respected and knowledgeable posters but there is no point in pretending the world hasn't changed; it has. Ideally recruitment methods would be a blend of the old and the new but there's no point in just bemoaning the modern way. The issue is not scouting (or the lack of it) the problem is that since Bosman, the player have become too powerful and too greedy - even if could find them, their wage demands would be beyond what we could afford - can you imagine how much players of Ritchie’s ability would command today , when players like Menig can command £11k a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnrow latics Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 52 minutes ago, BP1960 said: The art of scouting has gone, its all agents and computer analysts analysts these days. Don't think many clubs actually send anyone to watch live games, its mainly video footage, which to me isn't the same as being at a match I'm a dinosaur, so my views like Rick Holden's are apparently redundant and dismissed. Not so. Every week there are always scouts in the main stand and for the Exeter game there were 10+. One, from a Championship side, obviously got their man and has been to at least 3 games this season watching one of 'our own'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, mad4it said: The issue is not scouting (or the lack of it) the problem is that since Bosman, the player have become too powerful and too greedy - even if could find them, their wage demands would be beyond what we could afford - can you imagine how much players of Ritchie’s ability would command today , when players like Menig can command £11k a week True, but I'm talking of players whis potential may not have been realised. There a lots about who come quite cheap a good scout or manager will find. But as I say clubs tend to let an agent bring in players these days without the manager even seeing them. Ps. I've passed on to the club details of a 17yo centre forward in Ireland, big, tough, scores goals. He's raw, but shows bags of potential..watch this space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mad4it said: The issue is not scouting (or the lack of it) the problem is that since Bosman, the player have become too powerful and too greedy - even if could find them, their wage demands would be beyond what we could afford - can you imagine how much players of Ritchie’s ability would command today , when players like Menig can command £11k a week That's the game we are playing Its the same rule for other clubs, and other clubs such as Accrington Stanley and Rochdale find a way to beat the market in terms of getting value for money in the transfer market. Our recruitment policy over the last 18 months in particular has been poor the signing you used as an example highlights this. John Coleman and Keith Hill could have signed about 8 players for that all would have strengthened their side pushing them up the league and atleast 1 would have probably been sold for a fee and earned the club money back. The talent is out there, we have to find the value for money signings. Yes we we will require investment in the summer but looking at the clubs above us I don't think it will require that much to get us into the top 7 if we spend it wisely. Edited February 25, 2019 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: That's the game we are playing Its the same rule for other clubs, and other clubs such as Accrington Stanley and Rochdale find a way to beat the market in terms of getting value for money in the transfer market. Our recruitment policy over the last 18 months in particular has been poor the signing you used as an example highlights this. John Coleman and Keith Hill could have signed about 8 players for that all would have strengthened their side pushing them up the league and atleast 1 would have probably been sold for a fee and earned the club money back. The talent is out there if we have to find the value for money signing. Yes we we will require investment in the summer but looking at the clubs above us I don't think it will require that much to get us into the top 7 if we spend it wisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, mad4it said: The issue is not scouting (or the lack of it) the problem is that since Bosman, the player have become too powerful and too greedy - even if could find them, their wage demands would be beyond what we could afford - can you imagine how much players of Ritchie’s ability would command today , when players like Menig can command £11k a week It's almost a quarter of a century since Bosman (and it was unarguably right). Can't be blaming that this long after the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, deyres42 said: Saturday showed that we are a long way from where we need to be and significant investment will be needed in the summer. I'd be a lot more relaxed if I knew AL had access to funds for next year to give Scholes a chance with his own team. Of course, we have no idea if PS has virtually a whole and competitive team he could tap up either. We get a few wins under our belt soon too. We've only 2 wins v teams above us, yet trickily play 8 out of the 12 games v them. But 4 of the 12 are at home but are just above us. I'm just hoping my worst fears are unfounded. I just feel it would be the least surprising thing if this form continued to deteriorate and little sign of funds appearing, to see Scholes depart in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Out of interest, how much would a scout or team of scouts cost and would there even be any finance available to fund this if we struggle already to pay the players and bills ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, Paul said: Out of interest, how much would a scout or team of scouts cost and would there even be any finance available to fund this if we struggle already to pay the players and bills ? Most scouts are on expenses only so quite cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 21 hours ago, BP1960 said: So you think one up front is working well for us at the moment and carry on regardless? You know perfectly well that's not what I was saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 18 hours ago, Dave_Og said: It's almost a quarter of a century since Bosman (and it was unarguably right). Can't be blaming that this long after the event. Of course you can blame the Bosman ruling, player no deliberately run down their contacts to either for the club to pay them a higher wage or to allow them to move as a free agent. Prime examples of this are Aaron Ramsey , and closer to home Chris Porter , both run down their contracts and left for nothing -prior to the Bosman rule , the clubs would have held on to their registration and forced s transfer fee . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 21 hours ago, BP1960 said: The art of scouting has gone, its all agents and computer analysts analysts these days. Don't think many clubs actually send anyone to watch live games, its mainly video footage, which to me isn't the same as being at a match I'm a dinosaur, so my views like Rick Holden's are apparently redundant and dismissed. Not so. Often scouts at Latics matches, sat in the rows of seats in front of Roy and Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, LaticsPete said: Not so. Often scouts at Latics matches, sat in the rows of seats in front of Roy and Mike. A tiny minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 21 hours ago, BP1960 said: Ps. I've passed on to the club details of a 17yo centre forward in Ireland, big, tough, scores goals. He's raw, but shows bags of potential..watch this space. Have you been to watch him personally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Nobody buys CD's anymore either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said: Have you been to watch him personally? Nah but he looks shit hot on YouTube innit BP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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