rudemedic Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Ackey said: Yeh, but that average is a fluctuating one... every bad year we're closer to mean. What I'd like to see is the effect of our continued 3rd tier position on the mean, and how that compares to others. Someone like Bournemouth may be well above mean, but they were below it not long ago... I'd like to see how that lies for a decade or so. Are they a flash in the pan (yes, unless they make it seriously stick) versus us, who're persistently below our historical position. If that makes sense? In which case an argument can be made for the present being more representative than the historic. If we want to get really deep someone should then take those trends and compare them to the local area's socioeconomic picture and see if there's a correlation (or even causation!). But, I've gone full stats-nerd now and we've not a chance Sky will fund it... maybe someone should tweet the Guardian, they like that kind of thing. Love this sort of discussion. I see the Jargon Police have given this a wide berth too, and rightly so. Stats-nerds rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, rudemedic said: Love this sort of discussion. I see the Jargon Police have given this a wide berth too, and rightly so. Stats-nerds rule. He used Plain English to state the fucking obvious. No jargon was harmed during the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, stevesidg said: Top 5 are all from the north west think that tells a story in itself Probably that there are quite a lot of North West teams and therefore more local fixtures therefore more away fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: I'll tell ya what Dave, you're bang on..... 1 Oldham 19.2% 2 Blackburn 16.6% 3 Blackpool 16.3% 4 Bury 15.9% 5 Rochdale 15.5% 6 Rotherham 15.4% 7 Oxford 13.8% 8 Northampton 13.6% 9 Scunthorpe 13.5% 10 AFC Wimbledon 13.0% 11 Peterborough 12.9% 12 Shrewsbury 11.5% 13 Bristol Rovers 10.7% 14 Wigan 10.4% 15 Plymouth 9.9% 16 Portsmouth 9.8% 17 Walsall 9.8% 18 Southend 9.2% 19 Gillingham 8.1% 20 Doncaster 7.9% 21 Charlton 7.2% 22 Bradford 6.0% 23 Fleetwood 6.0% 24 MK Dons 4.8% Finish bottom 8 but we regularly win the % away support league. Looking at the current league table we may lose our coverted away fan title next season as Blackburn a d Wigan coukd both well go up and Rochdale and Bury looking likely to go the other way. I think its something we would all happily sacrifice for (hopefully) abit more success on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Finish bottom 8 but we regularly win the % away support league. Looking at the current league table we may lose our coverted away fan title next season as Blackburn a d Wigan coukd both well go up and Rochdale and Bury looking likely to go the other way. I think its something we would all happily sacrifice for (hopefully) abit more success on the pitch. Not sure as Blackburn, Bury and Rochdale (3/4 of the rest of the top 5 won't be in the competition). Doubt we will be running away with it as we are doing. (Loads of our big aways still to come). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, rudemedic said: Not sure as Blackburn, Bury and Rochdale (3/4 of the rest of the top 5 won't be in the competition). Doubt we will be running away with it as we are doing. (Loads of our big aways still to come). Not running away with it? Pretty sure we will be taking more than 20% to the likes of Wigan Rochdale and Bury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Not running away with it? Pretty sure we will be taking more than 20% to the likes of Wigan Rochdale and Bury. Sorry I meant next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 19 hours ago, oafcprozac said: Impressive stuff from Ackey, if only Latics knew what they had when he was a mere web monkey...could have sold him on and put in a clause.... That Corney could have cashed in... I should have founded Opta - I'd be minted! 19 hours ago, oafcmetty said: Not sure that bears out. Of our 101 league seasons... Sorry, I intended for "persistently below" to be in the context of my "last decade" caveat - that wasn't obvious, looking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagger Lee Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 23 hours ago, Ryan said: Sky publish an average league table every season. This is the latest one: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10881263/ultimate-league-reveals-liverpool-are-englands-top-team-followed-by-man-utd-and-arsenal 23 hours ago, Ackey said: Indeed. I would love to see that data on a trend line, as I would expect to find we've got one of the worst in the whole 92. 20 hours ago, Ackey said: Yeh, but that average is a fluctuating one... every bad year we're closer to mean. What I'd like to see is the effect of our continued 3rd tier position on the mean, and how that compares to others. Someone like Bournemouth may be well above mean, but they were below it not long ago... I'd like to see how that lies for a decade or so. Are they a flash in the pan (yes, unless they make it seriously stick) versus us, who're persistently below our historical position. If that makes sense? In which case an argument can be made for the present being more representative than the historic. If we want to get really deep someone should then take those trends and compare them to the local area's socioeconomic picture and see if there's a correlation (or even causation!). But, I've gone full stats-nerd now and we've not a chance Sky will fund it... maybe someone should tweet the Guardian, they like that kind of thing. 19 hours ago, oafcmetty said: Not sure that bears out. Of our 101 league seasons: top flight = 12/101 In 2nd of 3 tiers = 13/101 In 2nd of 4 tiers = 20/101 In 3rd of 4 tiers = 30/101 bottom flight = 26/101 Bottom flight obviously includes when we were in 3N when there was no 4th divison (16 seasons - 10 top half, 6 bottom half), and 3 when there were only 2 divisons. Of the 12 seasons in 2nd of 3rd tiers we were top half 7 times, bottom half 5. Even ignoring the above, our 37 years in 3/4 or 4/4 is not far off eclipsing the 45 years we've been in the second tier or higher. 4 The trouble begins with the quality and scope of the original data and the results extrapolated from that data. The list is based only on the last 50 years and not since either Oldham or indeed the football league was founded. Wigan was not even a football league club until 1978. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Story so far, and games to go. Win our 4 a\way games at Bury, Dale, and AFCW, add in a home win v Blackpool with teams around us and surely we are safe. I'l put Northampton to one side obviosuly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, singe said: Story so far, and games to go. Win our 4 a\way games at Bury, Dale, and AFCW, add in a home win v Blackpool with teams around us and surely we are safe. I'l put Northampton to one side obviosuly We've won two of sixteen away games so far this season so to expect four from our last seven is a big ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: We've won two of sixteen away games so far this season so to expect four from our last seven is a big ask. The bottom two in that four though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: We've won two of sixteen away games so far this season so to expect four from our last seven is a big ask. 3 minutes ago, Magic Mikey said: The bottom two in that four though. And four of the bottom 7. Exactly the sort of away games we have won season after season despite struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astottie Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 i think i'd rely more on the home games having won our last 2. 6 left none against teams above 9th place. 5 wins i reckon and should expect at least 4 of them to come at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 22/02/2018 at 3:54 PM, lookersstandandy said: I'll tell ya what Dave, you're bang on..... 1 Oldham 19.2% 2 Blackburn 16.6% 3 Blackpool 16.3% 4 Bury 15.9% 5 Rochdale 15.5% 6 Rotherham 15.4% 7 Oxford 13.8% 8 Northampton 13.6% 9 Scunthorpe 13.5% 10 AFC Wimbledon 13.0% 11 Peterborough 12.9% 12 Shrewsbury 11.5% 13 Bristol Rovers 10.7% 14 Wigan 10.4% 15 Plymouth 9.9% 16 Portsmouth 9.8% 17 Walsall 9.8% 18 Southend 9.2% 19 Gillingham 8.1% 20 Doncaster 7.9% 21 Charlton 7.2% 22 Bradford 6.0% 23 Fleetwood 6.0% 24 MK Dons 4.8% Be interesting to see this table extended to cover the 92 league teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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yarddog73 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 22/02/2018 at 3:54 PM, lookersstandandy said: I'll tell ya what Dave, you're bang on..... 1 Oldham 19.2% 2 Blackburn 16.6% 3 Blackpool 16.3% 4 Bury 15.9% 5 Rochdale 15.5% 6 Rotherham 15.4% 7 Oxford 13.8% 8 Northampton 13.6% 9 Scunthorpe 13.5% 10 AFC Wimbledon 13.0% 11 Peterborough 12.9% 12 Shrewsbury 11.5% 13 Bristol Rovers 10.7% 14 Wigan 10.4% 15 Plymouth 9.9% 16 Portsmouth 9.8% 17 Walsall 9.8% 18 Southend 9.2% 19 Gillingham 8.1% 20 Doncaster 7.9% 21 Charlton 7.2% 22 Bradford 6.0% 23 Fleetwood 6.0% 24 MK Dons 4.8% I would much rather be bottom of this table and the 800 we average away be 4.8% of our home crowds, all this table shows me is that we have a real problem attracting fans to home games which in turns hampers any real chance of progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I would much rather be bottom of this table and the 800 we average away be 4.8% of our home crowds, all this table shows me is that we have a real problem attracting fans to home games which in turns hampers any real chance of progress. Thanks Simon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesidg Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I would much rather be bottom of this table and the 800 we average away be 4.8% of our home crowds, all this table shows me is that we have a real problem attracting fans to home games which in turns hampers any real chance of progress. How to turn a positive into a negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 6 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I would much rather be bottom of this table and the 800 we average away be 4.8% of our home crowds, all this table shows me is that we have a real problem attracting fans to home games which in turns hampers any real chance of progress. Postponing games which should have been on won't help matters. A professional club run worse than amateurs is a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Do referees at amateur games work to the same criteria as at professional ones and do they have stands that shield the pitches ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astottie Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Bury 2 up Dale 1 down Fleeters 0 MKD 1 Lashers 1 up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I hate bury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: Postponing games which should have been on won't help matters. A professional club run worse than amateurs is a disgrace. You’ve lost the plot here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, kowenicki said: You’ve lost the plot here. No, the club have in my opinion, you are entitled to your opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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