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[oafc1955]

1 minute ago, Wardie said:

Moore has decided to return to the National Conference League side

Wouldn’t have thought it would be his decision to make?

[Wardie]

1 hour ago, oafc1955 said:

Wouldn’t have thought it would be his decision to make?

Could have been given the option to stay or return with the possibility of a first team squad inclusion. Pure speculation, of course and the natural assumption is the club decides.

[rudemedic]

12 hours ago, Bobledgersheart said:

Green's injury may be worse than thought but good luck to Kofi, we need a bit of new blood!

Plus Hope may have been called up to the Bajan side.

[Hemel latic]

Really good interview with the Youth Team manager, next game at Accrington Stanley on Tuesday 21 November.

 

https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2023/november/15112023-chuks-youth-team-update/

[longtimeblue]

On 11/15/2023 at 5:10 PM, oafc1955 said:

Wouldn’t have thought it would be his decision to make?

Nor should it be 

[BP1960]

Youths pushing for first team call ups.

 

[yarddog73]

I wonder if it's even been proposed in the NL to up the amount of subs to maybe seven from five on the proviso that two are under 21?,  it's difficult for youth players like Moore for instance to make that step up when understandably managers probably look at a travelling 18 or 20 and find it difficult to include them with only four outfield sub spots to fill. 

[Dave_Og]

55 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

I wonder if it's even been proposed in the NL to up the amount of subs to maybe seven from five on the proviso that two are under 21?,  it's difficult for youth players like Moore for instance to make that step up when understandably managers probably look at a travelling 18 or 20 and find it difficult to include them with only four outfield sub spots to fill. 

I really hope not.

[yarddog73]

1 minute ago, Dave_Og said:

I really hope not.

Why not?

[Dave_Og]

49 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

Why not?

Because having had the number of available substitutes go from one to seven is too many. Disrupts the game 

[Monty Burns]

2 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

Because having had the number of available substitutes go from one to seven is too many. Disrupts the game 

if we could name seven but keep the permitted use at three then that would totally be in our interests

[hollandspies]

Should be able to name as many as we want, but accept that the number of permitted changes is (currently) 3, but push for 4 or even 5. Why not? 
 

[LightDN123]

7 subs 3 changes please. 5 is far to many subs for a game. 

[Worcester Owl]

5 permitted subs is a joke, and gives an advantage to clubs with stronger squads. Disruptive as @Dave_Ogsays. It was bad enough going from 2 to 3.

[nzlatic]

12 hours ago, yarddog73 said:

I wonder if it's even been proposed in the NL to up the amount of subs to maybe seven from five on the proviso that two are under 21?,  it's difficult for youth players like Moore for instance to make that step up when understandably managers probably look at a travelling 18 or 20 and find it difficult to include them with only four outfield sub spots to fill. 

I really like this idea. Presume you mean number on the bench not number of subs allowed? Increasing bench size to allow for extra young players would be a great way of creating more pathways from youth set ups to first team squads. 

[Dave_Og]

13 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

I really like this idea. Presume you mean number on the bench not number of subs allowed? Increasing bench size to allow for extra young players would be a great way of creating more pathways from youth set ups to first team squads. 

I could go for that - but not more allowed substitutions.  The rules have changed so often I'm not even sure what they are anymore.  Does the PL allow five subs but only in three lots?  They'd be better off trying to sort out a sensible handball rule than fannying about with substitutes every five minutes.

[nzlatic]

1 hour ago, Dave_Og said:

I could go for that - but not more allowed substitutions.  The rules have changed so often I'm not even sure what they are anymore.  Does the PL allow five subs but only in three lots?  They'd be better off trying to sort out a sensible handball rule than fannying about with substitutes every five minutes.

I have absolutely no idea what happens in the PL with subs, I barely watch any of it. Did it change after that totallyfairlyandoroperlyawardedimsure World Cup in Qatar? And they now can make subs like an international friendly or something. I agree, that’s a nonsense.
 

But just allowing extra places on the bench for youth players (which I think is what @yarddog73 was suggesting) would make a lot of sense. 

[LaticMark]

Jake Forshaw has returned from his loan at Guiseley.

 

https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2023/december/21122023-jake-forshaw/

[OneSizeFitz]

2 hours ago, LaticMark said:

Jake Forshaw has returned from his loan at Guiseley.

 

https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2023/december/21122023-jake-forshaw/

 

Seems to have struggled to cement a place in the team in all three of his loans - Colne, Farsley and now Guiseley.

 

Shows that the step up from youth level is still quite a big one. 

[Monty Burns]

11 minutes ago, OneSizeFitz said:

 

Seems to have struggled to cement a place in the team in all three of his loans - Colne, Farsley and now Guiseley.

 

Shows that the step up from youth level is still quite a big one. 

indeed. yet some people wanted to tell us he should have been starting for us last season!

[Monty Burns]

PS l think he's got a chance, seems to have good instincts and the physique looks like it will be there. but he is a bit too nice.

bit of a joke we havent got a reserve team yet but l can see the massive focus on youth which is excellent.

lve opined allowed about active bridge building with giants like Scholes who had a burning off 'us' and if l knew Tony Philliskirk had been back at BP sat cross legged having a chat and a (weak) brew it wouldnt half warm the heart.

[Monty Burns]

allowed ffs l really should proof read. or edit. or have some shame. or all three!

[rudemedic]

16 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

I could go for that - but not more allowed substitutions.  The rules have changed so often I'm not even sure what they are anymore.  Does the PL allow five subs but only in three lots?  They'd be better off trying to sort out a sensible handball rule than fannying about with substitutes every five minutes.

 

15 hours ago, nzlatic said:

I have absolutely no idea what happens in the PL with subs, I barely watch any of it. Did it change after that totallyfairlyandoroperlyawardedimsure World Cup in Qatar? And they now can make subs like an international friendly or something. I agree, that’s a nonsense.
 

But just allowing extra places on the bench for youth players (which I think is what @yarddog73 was suggesting) would make a lot of sense. 

It's 5 subs in 3 stoppages of play so any sub made at HT doesn't count towards the stoppages of play.

 

Fairly certain it was altered initially due to COVID-19, but was maintained partly in conjunction with World Cup 22 and Euro 20 (that took place in 21).

 

Benefits big teams and squads, so we'd see the benefit more than say Gateshead would. 

[Worcester Owl]

On 12/22/2023 at 2:53 AM, rudemedic said:

 

It's 5 subs in 3 stoppages of play so any sub made at HT doesn't count towards the stoppages of play.

 

Fairly certain it was altered initially due to COVID-19, but was maintained partly in conjunction with World Cup 22 and Euro 20 (that took place in 21).

 

Benefits big teams and squads, so we'd see the benefit more than say Gateshead would. 

You might want to withdraw that last sentence after today’s match!

 

In general though I agree with it, hence my opposition to more subs on the bench and three actual substitutions.

[Bobledgersheart]

Frazer Cookson goes on one month loan to Nantwich Town.