wiseowl Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 18 hours ago, nzlatic said: If we lose we won’t be relegated. If we lose Unsworth won’t be sacked. Quite correct - and it's depressing. The small group I used to go to Latics with have all dropped by the wayside over the years i.e. one died and the rest have just stopped going. Consequently, I now go to be entertained solely by the football (whereas in the past it was just good to catch up with friends even when the football was bobbins). Unsworth's "brand" of football bores me - so I decided to take a break, hoping he'd be gone sooner rather than later. He's clearly going nowhere. Conversely, he's clearly taking us nowhere either - this season or next. I have a decision to make. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, wiseowl said: Quite correct - and it's depressing. The small group I used to go to Latics with have all dropped by the wayside over the years i.e. one died and the rest have just stopped going. Consequently, I now go to be entertained solely by the football (whereas in the past it was just good to catch up with friends even when the football was bobbins). Unsworth's "brand" of football bores me - so I decided to take a break, hoping he'd be gone sooner rather than later. He's clearly going nowhere. Conversely, he's clearly taking us nowhere either - this season or next. I have a decision to make. Impossible to talk with any certainty about next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Impossible to talk with any certainty about next season. Certainty? Maybe not, but I’m far from convinced with Unsworth. In the 5 months he’s been in charge and with the shed load of players he’s brought in have you seen anything to suggest we will see the necessary improvements required to challenge at the other end of the table? I cannot believe these players are as poor as the results suggest! It’s absolutely essential we have a strong finish to our season to boost ST sales for next season but the way we are limping along it doesn’t look likely. If, and it is if, we manage to avoid another relegation, next season we need to be top half from the off, anything less and he should be gone!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 hours ago, LaticsPete said: Marshall tore us apart at valley Parade a few years ago. Hope he’s slowed a bit! He may well have done so and will probably still show his quality at this level but not necessarily with pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: Certainty? Maybe not, but I’m far from convinced with Unsworth. In the 5 months he’s been in charge and with the shed load of players he’s brought in have you seen anything to suggest we will see the necessary improvements required to challenge at the other end of the table? I cannot believe these players are as poor as the results suggest! It’s absolutely essential we have a strong finish to our season to boost ST sales for next season but the way we are limping along it doesn’t look likely. If, and it is if, we manage to avoid another relegation, next season we need to be top half from the off, anything less and he should be gone!! Contrary to the shit-shows we have been mightily privileged to watch, I am agreeing with you. The overall lack of competency and commitment beggars belief which only confuses the fans when the brief spells of attacking and effective football have managed to surface. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, wiseowl said: Quite correct - and it's depressing. The small group I used to go to Latics with have all dropped by the wayside over the years i.e. one died and the rest have just stopped going. Consequently, I now go to be entertained solely by the football (whereas in the past it was just good to catch up with friends even when the football was bobbins). Unsworth's "brand" of football bores me - so I decided to take a break, hoping he'd be gone sooner rather than later. He's clearly going nowhere. Conversely, he's clearly taking us nowhere either - this season or next. I have a decision to make. Same for me, dropped from a group of 4/5 mates consistently going home and away. Now it’s just me and one other and even we are on a thin ice with it. I can’t not go, Latics have been my biggest passion since being a kid (sad bastard I am). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, wiseowl said: Conversely, he's clearly taking us nowhere either - this season or next. Opinion passed off as fact. It wasn’t long ago plenty were saying we were relegation certs unless we sacked him. But points per game has improved dramatically since the new year so relegation looking far less likely. It’s plausible that as Unsworth gets more experienced in the job, he might get better at it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Opinion passed off as fact. It wasn’t long ago plenty were saying we were relegation certs unless we sacked him. But points per game has improved dramatically since the new year so relegation looking far less likely. It’s plausible that as Unsworth gets more experienced in the job, he might get better at it. For me he has the rest of the season to show he has improved, the product on the pitch is at best poor. The squad we have now should be capable of far better, Unsworth it's over to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Opinion passed off as fact. It wasn’t long ago plenty were saying we were relegation certs unless we sacked him. But points per game has improved dramatically since the new year so relegation looking far less likely. It’s plausible that as Unsworth gets more experienced in the job, he might get better at it. I remember the days when winning was important, now it’s about looking after a manager’s apprenticeship- so as long as he is improving the board will keep him. The only trouble is- the bar is so low for his improvement, that overall failure is now being lauded. It’s very possible we’ll avoid relegation- and the club will praise him. It’s very possible he’ll improve a bit next season - and finish midtable, and the club will praise him. Meanwhile, we have one of the biggest budgets in the league and after 30 plus games, he can’t produce one 90 minute performance. It’s not even about Unsworth anymore, it’s the extraordinarily lenient board who are happy to give him fantastic backing and bob along with their mate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, disjointed said: For me he has the rest of the season to show he has improved, the product on the pitch is at best poor. The squad we have now should be capable of far better, Unsworth it's over to you. I agree. For us to go into next season looking at it being a positive one (ie challenging for promotion) then I think we need to end this one on the up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, League one forever said: I remember the days when winning was important, now it’s about looking after a manager’s apprenticeship- so as long as he is improving the board will keep him. The only trouble is- the bar is so low for his improvement, that overall failure is now being lauded. It’s very possible we’ll avoid relegation- and the club will praise him. It’s very possible he’ll improve a bit next season - and finish midtable, and the club will praise him. Meanwhile, we have one of the biggest budgets in the league and after 30 plus games, he can’t produce one 90 minute performance. It’s not even about Unsworth anymore, it’s the extraordinarily lenient board who are happy to give him fantastic backing and bob along with their mate You'd like to think expectations will be set higher than midtable next season, if they are and Unsworth doesn't look like achieving them then he'll be relieved of his duties, I'm quite sure of that. They may even decide to make a change in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, League one forever said: I remember the days when winning was important, now it’s about looking after a manager’s apprenticeship- so as long as he is improving the board will keep him. The only trouble is- the bar is so low for his improvement, that overall failure is now being lauded. It’s very possible we’ll avoid relegation- and the club will praise him. It’s very possible he’ll improve a bit next season - and finish midtable, and the club will praise him. Meanwhile, we have one of the biggest budgets in the league and after 30 plus games, he can’t produce one 90 minute performance. It’s not even about Unsworth anymore, it’s the extraordinarily lenient board who are happy to give him fantastic backing and bob along with their mate You’re arguing against things no one is saying again. Pretty much everyone in senior positions at the club is learning on the job. The takeover only happened a few months ago. People will get stuff wrong. Doesn’t mean they’re blind to mistakes or that there are other motives. No one was (seriously) expecting to be up there this season. So it’s plausible that the club haven’t wet the bed this season after a bad run because they want to build for next season being one where we challenge with continuity. Improvement can mean different things at different times. It doesn’t mean that if we finish a couple of places higher each season we should all rejoice. Unsworth hasn’t got a job for life because he’s “their mate” ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKing521 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Anything other than a convincing victory today and he should be relieved of his duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyOAFC Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I don't know how people are saying this isn't a must win/important game. I think it is. We drew the game against Gateshead. That felt like a loss to me, considering we were 2-0 up. Also take into consideration our position in the league. Take into considering the opposition we're playing today. We need to win this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 29 minutes ago, League one forever said: I remember the days when winning was important, now it’s about looking after a manager’s apprenticeship- so as long as he is improving the board will keep him. The only trouble is- the bar is so low for his improvement, that overall failure is now being lauded. It’s very possible we’ll avoid relegation- and the club will praise him. It’s very possible he’ll improve a bit next season - and finish midtable, and the club will praise him. Meanwhile, we have one of the biggest budgets in the league and after 30 plus games, he can’t produce one 90 minute performance. It’s not even about Unsworth anymore, it’s the extraordinarily lenient board who are happy to give him fantastic backing and bob along with their mate Not referring t the current situation but you're describing how football used t be when managers actually got a chance to build something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, GKing521 said: Anything other than a convincing victory today and he should be relieved of his duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, AnthonyOAFC said: I don't know how people are saying this isn't a must win/important game. I think it is. We drew the game against Gateshead. That felt like a loss to me, considering we were 2-0 up. Also take into consideration our position in the league. Take into considering the opposition we're playing today. We need to win this one. It's important and we should go in expecting a win, but it isn't must win. Splitting hairs I know but their is a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, GKing521 said: Anything other than a convincing victory today and he should be relieved of his duties. But..we all know that is not going to happen if that "convincing victory" isn't achieved. Maidstone are rock bottom, their results have began to improve, Latics should be running out with a win and they will, if they don't produce yet another dismal performance and play like they are capable of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, disjointed said: For me he has the rest of the season to show he has improved, the product on the pitch is at best poor. The squad we have now should be capable of far better, Unsworth it's over to you. Not bothered in the slightest on the 'product'. Give me 90 of the ugliest points next season and promotion back into the EFL. We sacked Moore and Warnock in part because of style, they both went onto do well elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKing521 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Gardner dropped. He has to be on the wind up this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, GKing521 said: Gardner dropped. He has to be on the wind up this guy. Always going to happen. Shelton is his own signing who he was after for a while. Not saying it’s right, but no surprise for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, GKing521 said: Gardner dropped. He has to be on the wind up this guy. Injury prone midfielder can't play three consecutive games shock !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, GKing521 said: Gardner dropped. He has to be on the wind up this guy. He can’t play back to back games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Matt said: The cumulative effect of not winning is something that must be avoided. A very valid point but they won 2 games ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Is the stream working for anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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