Steve_R Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: This captures it for me too. I cling to the hope that with better players at the club, we will play a far more entertaining style of football that brings success. I hope that Unsworth has learned lessons from his inaugural season in managing a National League team. Yesterday was yet again more evidence to me that, so far, Unsworth has not really got it. Altrincham looked a bang average side and yet, for long periods, our play was dull and uninspiring. I have yet to see the statistics from yesterday but I cannot remember too many clear cut chances created - particularly in the second half. Our game management continues to be atrocious. It is evident that Rhinoball has us playing narrow and safety first football. That could explain why we drop deep and ask players like Green to ‘tuck in’ as the game progresses. Green had beaten his fullback with ease in the first half but we rarely saw him used as an outlet in the second. And there was one incident when we had given the ball away to an Altrincham player and our midfielders were more concerned about getting back into shape than one of them actually closing down the player down. At 2-0 up against ten men the game should have been ours. And yet… Unsworth will be our manager at the start of next season but if the performances do not improve then many more will be calling for him to go. The board continues to back the management and we all expect this to continue with better players arriving in the close season. This loyalty is to be praised but things have to improve next season or patience will surely start to wear thin. Think you’ve got it bang on there. I don’t want to be changing managers and desperately hope Unsworth succeeds. The board are clearly sticking with him and in many ways so they should. If they think he’s the man they’re right to do so. We’ve just got to get out of this league as soon as possible before we get bogged down here. Bollocks to this gradual improvement. We’re the masters of getting stuck in a division. Its our specialist subject. They are right to stick with him for now. But I worry they might do it for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Guy Branston Pickle said: Same here. People talk about "narratives" or "agendas" as if there's Latics fans who want him to fail. I would love it if he turned it around, but absolutely nothing during his tenure has suggested to me he will. Quite the opposite actually, i think he's a dreadful manager. I for one have been calling for his departure from quite early on because he isn't what we need (and the point still stands), but wanting him to fail - why would anyone want that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Guy Branston Pickle said: Same here. People talk about "narratives" or "agendas" as if there's Latics fans who want him to fail. I would love it if he turned it around, but absolutely nothing during his tenure has suggested to me he will. Quite the opposite actually, i think he's a dreadful manager. Big difference between narrative and agenda. Former is the story that’s being told . And there is one. Unsworth is a poor manager. Agenda is a desire to get rid asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 our form over the last 6 games places us joint 3rd bottom with Scunny - things are looking down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Branston Pickle Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, LaticsPete said: Big difference between narrative and agenda. Former is the story that’s being told . And there is one. Unsworth is a poor manager. Agenda is a desire to get rid asap. Yep. But why is this considered a "narrative"? It's clear to anyone with eyes, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 33 minutes ago, LaticsPete said: Big difference between narrative and agenda. Former is the story that’s being told . And there is one. Unsworth is a poor manager. Agenda is a desire to get rid asap. Fans will air their views after regular poor performances Happens at every club. We could really do with some hope of better players and exciting attacking football like Notts County have produced on less agents fees. Unfortunately, the vast majority can't see it. So it appears a case of carry on regardless with IMO season ticket reaping far less than Frank expects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 I'm far from convinced unsy is the man for the job but I do think the board are right to stick with him. I think they've looked at this season as a bit of a sighter for him as long as we're not looking like going down again. It gives him time to properly get acclimatized to this division and also management. It also means he can have a full pre season to get everything where he wants it. But with time comes expectation. And the expectation next season will be for us to hit the ground running. I also think they'll expect a better style of football. And if he isn't delivering he'll be gone. As for the game yesterday, had we let a 2 goal lead slip against 11 men it would've been a disgrace. Against 10 is simply unacceptable. And I don't actually blame unsy for that, it's the players. There's a very weak mentality within the squad and there's so little football intelligence as well. After the red card we should've just looked to hold the ball and take the sting out of the game for 5 minutes. As it was we barely had the ball at all. That's not on the manager, you need leaders on the pitch and that knowhow to put the game to bed. If we're serious about promotion next season I think only 3 or 4 of this lot can be starters next season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 I would suggest the bulk of our agents fees have been as a result of the Nuttall deal and also the fact we have have had to bring in so many players in such a short space of time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, True Tic said: True, but many of these have been part and parcel of a good number of capitulations through the season. Capitulation Athletic. It's become a running joke, with most of the running being backward and as someone said, the opposition will already know this. 2-2 was so inevitable yesterday, once Alty scored their first. We knew it, the team knew it and so did Altrincham. There is an air of predictability and inevitability before each and every match. I am sick of enthusiasm being evaporated by shit tactics and gutless performance. I just hope Latics manage to pick up enough points to stay in the division, as for next season, well if he's still in charge I don't expect anything to change because in my opinion, he is totally inept and incapable of building a squad which will take the club back to the Football League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wardie said: Capitulation Athletic. It's become a running joke, with most of the running being backward and as someone said, the opposition will already know this. 2-2 was so inevitable yesterday, once Alty scored their first. We knew it, the team knew it and so did Altrincham. There is an air of predictability and inevitability before each and every match. I am sick of enthusiasm being evaporated by shit tactics and gutless performance. I just hope Latics manage to pick up enough points to stay in the division, as for next season, well if he's still in charge I don't expect anything to change because in my opinion, he is totally inept and incapable of building a squad which will take the club back to the Football League. We are painfully slow and predictable going forward, incisive passing none existent. I don’t know if he’s deliberately playing that kind of game because anything better is above the ability of this squad but it’s really poor. Altrincham we’re absolutely awful. Those are games we should be dispatching 4 or 5 nil. Not chewing our knuckles at 2 nil waiting for the inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, True Tic said: We are painfully slow and predictable going forward, incisive passing none existent. I don’t know if he’s deliberately playing that kind of game because anything better is above the ability of this squad but it’s really poor. Altrincham we’re absolutely awful. Those are games we should be dispatching 4 or 5 nil. Not chewing our knuckles at 2 nil waiting for the inevitable. Its like the players are brainwashed, don't attack in case you concede a goal, even when the opposition are down to 10 men with 10 minutes to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, oafc1955 said: I would suggest the bulk of our agents fees have been as a result of the Nuttall deal and also the fact we have have had to bring in so many players in such a short space of time!! Sack the agents or are they also on a 3 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, True Tic said: We are painfully slow and predictable going forward, incisive passing none existent. First half of the last two home games begs to differ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, oafc1955 said: I would suggest the bulk of our agents fees have been as a result of the Nuttall deal and also the fact we have have had to bring in so many players in such a short space of time!! Those figures on agent fees cover almost six months of the Lemsagams. They weren't shy of seeing agents alrightt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 Im sure the Lemsagams said they were keeping the paying of agents at a minimum and if I remember rightly the last set of figures confirmed just that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 39 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Its like the players are brainwashed, don't attack in case you concede a goal, even when the opposition are down to 10 men with 10 minutes to go. Other teams know this.Is it the players who drop back or are they told to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 36 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: First half of the last two home games begs to differ I disagree, it’s still been ponderous and predictable. Luckily so have the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Flemboy said: Other teams know this.Is it the players who drop back or are they told to do so? If they are being told that they should just bloody ignore it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: If they are being told that they should just bloody ignore it !! And risk being dropped by El Supremo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDHAMFAN2148 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Wardie said: Capitulation Athletic. It's become a running joke, with most of the running being backward and as someone said, the opposition will already know this. 2-2 was so inevitable yesterday, once Alty scored their first. We knew it, the team knew it and so did Altrincham. There is an air of predictability and inevitability before each and every match. I am sick of enthusiasm being evaporated by shit tactics and gutless performance. I just hope Latics manage to pick up enough points to stay in the division, as for next season, well if he's still in charge I don't expect anything to change because in my opinion, he is totally inept and incapable of building a squad which will take the club back to the Football League. "I am sick of enthusiasm being evaporated by shit tactics and gutless performance." Well put. It's probably one of the most infuriating parts about games like yesterday. We're sitting comfortably in the bottom half of the league table, we'd just been hammered and embarrassed at Wrexham, yet near 7000 fans still show up. It was a carnival-type atmosphere when we were 2-0 up and it felt like we might be getting some reward for our continued support. But no, our chips are pissed on, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Flemboy said: And risk being dropped by El Supremo. Sometimes you just have to occupy the moral high ground ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, OLDHAMFAN2148 said: "I am sick of enthusiasm being evaporated by shit tactics and gutless performance." Well put. It's probably one of the most infuriating parts about games like yesterday. We're sitting comfortably in the bottom half of the league table, we'd just been hammered and embarrassed at Wrexham, yet near 7000 fans still show up. It was a carnival-type atmosphere when we were 2-0 up and it felt like we might be getting some reward for our continued support. But no, our chips are pissed on, again. Exactly, at some point the product on the grass has to return that show of support and return it consistently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Flemboy said: Is it the players who drop back or are they told to do so? The players reflect the manager. Especially when it happens on a regular basis. They see him making tactical decisions that mean he’s hanging on to whatever he’s got. The players get the message they must not lose and naturally drop off. Leading to the inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 3 hours ago, BP1960 said: Fans will air their views after regular poor performances Happens at every club. We could really do with some hope of better players and exciting attacking football like Notts County have produced on less agents fees. Unfortunately, the vast majority can't see it. So it appears a case of carry on regardless with IMO season ticket reaping far less than Frank expects. Worth acknowledging that a lot of their core squad have been around for more than a few months, though. None of Palmer, Slocombe, Brindley, Rawlinson, Cameron, Rodrigues, Chicksen, Nemane, O'Brien, Vincent were signed this season. They've spent money on the positions they needed to strengthen, rather than completely overhauling the whole squad like we have (twice). I think it'll take 2-3 years for us to be properly competitive at the top of the division... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 15 hours ago, League one forever said: And Kitching. Bloody hell- we’ll have a decent starting 11 at this rate. . . It's almost as if the problem isn't the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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