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[oafc1955]

One thing you can’t say about Latics fans who have had patience in abundance!

[Uppermill Latics]

Patience often becomes happy clapping - how many other clubs are on a 30 or so year downwards trajectory?  

[BP1960]

On 4/21/2024 at 7:27 PM, oafc1955 said:

And what’s that got to do with anything?

@mcfluff1985stirring it again. I just laugh now as its its so repetitive.

[Careca9]

On 4/21/2024 at 9:01 PM, PartTimeLatic said:

The complete lack of acknowledgement for the season/fans from virtually all of the players after yesterday speaks volumes. As you say in another comment, I don't blame them for not giving any love back to fans who are quick to turn on them, but then I also don't see how players expect any fanbase to be happy clappy when their performances are as routinely bad as this.

 

There are some players who were bang average in recent years but fans liked them because they tried a bit off the pitch. Alex Reid, pre-Christmas-gate, interacted with fans quite a bit. Go as far back as Bahamboula. Just a few bits of being nice to fans after games and putting some effort in gives you a lot of leeway when your performances aren't great and buys patience with the fans. The fact the club/squad just don't address it despite acknowledging that it's a problem is crazy. This is why fans are quick to dislike the players, they don't give them anything to like or get attached to.

agree totally on this. They don’t play into the support they get at. The managers interviews are also dull and negative and he’s also losing support for this. Surprising they don’t realise this more 

[Littlemoor Lad]

20 hours ago, latics22 said:

Chesterfield have the average highest home attendance, so I guess they are the biggest ? We’re second.

Chesterfield have never been a bigger club than Oldham

Not in a month of sundays 

[GlossopLatic]

10 minutes ago, Littlemoor Lad said:

Chesterfield have never been a bigger club than Oldham

Not in a month of sundays 

 

They get bigger crowds, have a better team, and now play in a higher division right now they are a bigger club.

 

But these things swing one way and then the other, so I wouldn't be surprised if we overtake them again in the near future.

[GlossopLatic]

8 hours ago, oafc1955 said:

One thing you can’t say about Latics fans who have had patience in abundance!

 

Interms of turning upto games and believing success can still happen yes we are incredibly patient.

 

Are we patient enough with those tasked with delivering success then I think that's debatable.

 

 

8 hours ago, Uppermill Latics said:

Patience often becomes happy clapping - how many other clubs are on a 30 or so year downwards trajectory?  

 

The downward trajectory of the club ended in 2022. We've not progessed in the way we should of done on the pitch but we are no longer declining. It's not been a good end to the season but the problems are very fixable we know what "toxic" and "rotten to the core" look like and this isn't it.

 

I don't think their is anything wrong to have been expecting a promotion push this season it was a very realistic aim at thecstart of the season, we can and should be expecting one next season too. However aslong as we don't lose sight of the fact that we don't have the divine right to steamroller anyone in this league even if our history is far richer than theirs.

Edited April 23 by GlossopLatic

[AndyB2]

I know what a cheese and onion pie looks like 

[PeteG]

Chesterfield had bigger crowds because they were romping away with the league. There is absolutely no way they are a bigger club than us. The size of the club is determined by many things, crowds being just one. We are the biggest club in the National League and there is currently only 1 club in League 2 bigger than us. I'm sick of hearing people say we need to be humble and accept where we are, that's nonesense. We need to start acting like the size of club we are, get people in the building with the character to stand up and say we are Oldham Athletic and go out and prove we are the biggest club down here. Teams should be fearful of us and we should be imposing ourselves all over some of these clubs. That's not arrogance, it's just what bigger clubs do. If the staff and players can't handle that then they shouldn't be here. We must strive to make BP a fortress where we are 1 nil up before we have even kicked off. It needs a total change of mindset and stop accepting shit.

[Handsy]

43 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

They get bigger crowds, have a better team, and now play in a higher division right now they are a bigger club.

 

But these things swing one way and then the other, so I wouldn't be surprised if we overtake them again in the near future.

Are Bournemouth a bigger club than Leeds Leicester Southampton I don’t think so. The division you are in doesn’t make you a bigger club   The history of a club and your past achievements make you a bigger club  when Jack Walker bankrolled Blackburn  to the title  it didn’t make them the biggest club  in the country  that season just the best team  that year  so as someone said chesterfield will never be as big a club as us 

[Guy Branston Pickle]

Who gives a shit, two tinpot clubs, one of them has managed to escape the tinpot league, one remains

[GlossopLatic]

11 minutes ago, Handsy said:

Are Bournemouth a bigger club than Leeds Leicester Southampton I don’t think so. The division you are in doesn’t make you a bigger club   The history of a club and your past achievements make you a bigger club  when Jack Walker bankrolled Blackburn  to the title  it didn’t make them the biggest club  in the country  that season just the best team  that year  so as someone said chesterfield will never be as big a club as us 

 

But Chesterfield are getting bigger crowds than us Bournemouth aren't getting bigger crowds than Leeds

[PeteG]

1 minute ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

But Chesterfield are getting bigger crowds than us Bournemouth aren't getting bigger crowds than Leeds

There is much more than crowds or league position that defines the size of the club. They are obviously part of it but it's history, fanbase overall, perception from football fans nationally and further afield, potential. It's what draws players to sign for certain clubs. I've followed us for over 40 years and i'll never accept playing 2nd fiddle to Chesterfield, Salford, Rochdale or even the likes of Stockport. It's this mindset that has played a part in us being where we are. We keep going further down and then accept that's our level, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. I want someone to lead the club who talks us up, starts acting like we are a big club for this level and the one above and starts dragging people with them. All successful sports teams and individuals have a degree of arrogance about them, it's about time we did.

[Handsy]

6 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

But Chesterfield are getting bigger crowds than us Bournemouth aren't getting bigger crowds than Leeds

They play in a higher league and are better than Leeds  so in your book they must be bigger  we might not have  bigger crowds than chesterfield this season but we have a far greater fan base. Than them. If we had walked the league like they did  we would of got more   Than their avg 

[Handsy]

In fact I believe we are a bigger club than Bournemouth historically 

[PeteG]

2 minutes ago, Handsy said:

In fact I believe we are a bigger club than Bournemouth historically 

We are a bigger club than Bournemouth.

[GlossopLatic]

9 minutes ago, Handsy said:

They play in a higher league and are better than Leeds  so in your book they must be bigger  we might not have  bigger crowds than chesterfield this season but we have a far greater fan base. Than them. If we had walked the league like they did  we would of got more   Than their avg 

 

That's one factor but not the only one. The fact is we didn't get bigger crowds than them, and they have a better side so right now those 2 factors add up to them being a bigger deal than us. 

 

If you are a player and you are getting an offer from Oldham and Chesterfield this summer you are picking them. I'd say we are bigger club than a number of those in L2 though as our crowds and history trump the likes of Barrow and Harrogate.

 

Not that any of it matters anyway. The likes of Wealdstone and Fylde couldn't give a shit that we were good 30 years ago. I'd rather hope I get to say I support the smallest club in the Premier league again one day.

Edited April 23 by GlossopLatic

[whittles left foot]

11 minutes ago, PeteG said:

We are a bigger club than Bournemouth.

What supports that statement?

[PeteG]

5 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

That's one factor but not the only one. The fact is we didn't get bigger crowds than them, and they have a better side so right now those 2 factors add up to them being a bigger deal than us. 

 

If you are a player and you are getting an offer from Oldham and Chesterfield this summer you are picking them. I'd say we are bigger club than a number of those in L2 though as our crowds and history trump the likes of Barrow and Harrogate.

 

Not that any of it matters anyway. The likes of Wealdstone and Fylde couldn't give a shit that we were good 30 years ago. I'd rather hope I get to say I support the smallest club in the Premier league again one day.

You are correct on some aspects in that a player will nearly always sign for a club in a higher division because they have a short career and they are thinking about the here and now. However, don't think the likes of Wealdstone and Fylde don't give a shit because they do, they see us a scalp and raise their game accordingly. It's down to us to show them we respect them but show them what we are about and make these sides fear us rather than relish coming to BP and getting 3pts. We should also be attracting the best talent available in this division due to the size of the club. Players at National league level should be walking over broken glass to play for us regardless of the wages on offer and if they aren't then frankly we shouldn't be signing them. That's the one thing that annoys me about the Nuttall signing, once he turned us down we should have gone nowhere near him. Also, we aren't just bigger than some clubs in League 2, we are the 2nd biggest without a doubt.

[mcfluff1985]

8 hours ago, BP1960 said:

@mcfluff1985stirring it again. I just laugh now as its its so repetitive.

Repetitive. We could play bingo off the shit you repeat daily/weekly. I made a point that he couldn't play because he was suspended.

 

Strange old man you.

 

Maybe I didn't email you back in a past life

[Crusoe]

But what does it matter who’s “bigger”?

 

There’s no god-given right to a league position. I’ve never really understood this appeal to history as having much value. It certainly hasn’t helped in the last 30 years.

 

I would like my club to be “bigger” based on performances and results. Couldn’t give a damn beyond that.

 

If you mean it as a motivational technique to inspire, fine I guess, but it’s failed the last few decades. And I still see people who think we ought to be winning because of who we were rather than because we’re actually earning it on the pitch. 

[latics22]

1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

They get bigger crowds, have a better team, and now play in a higher division right now they are a bigger club.

 

But these things swing one way and then the other, so I wouldn't be surprised if we overtake them again in the near future.

But we are going to seriously decline in fan base this year, biggest club in the league… and we can’t be arsed going because we’re shit. Stockport continued their fan base through the bad times.

[PartTimeLatic]

3 hours ago, Careca9 said:

agree totally on this. They don’t play into the support they get at. The managers interviews are also dull and negative and he’s also losing support for this. Surprising they don’t realise this more 

It's so easy to get fans to like you. Genuinely so simple, I don't know why there isn't a single player in the current squad who's actually doing anything. Social media makes it a piece of piss to write a few tweets acknowledging support and saying how buzzing you are to be at Oldham and immediately a good chunk of the fanbase thinks you're a good lad and wants you to do well, so will give you more time/patience than others.

 

Instead there's a whole squad of players who say or do very little outside of their contractual club duties, or in some cases not even that (cough, Norwood, cough).

 

The manager is an odd one as fans loved Sheridan for saying it as it is and not sugarcoating it when it's shit, which is what Mellon is doing and he's being called negative. But you can see that fan criticism is clearly getting to him, particularly if you sit in the Main Stand.

Edited April 23 by PartTimeLatic

[latics22]

57 minutes ago, PeteG said:

Chesterfield had bigger crowds because they were romping away with the league. There is absolutely no way they are a bigger club than us. The size of the club is determined by many things, crowds being just one. We are the biggest club in the National League and there is currently only 1 club in League 2 bigger than us. I'm sick of hearing people say we need to be humble and accept where we are, that's nonesense. We need to start acting like the size of club we are, get people in the building with the character to stand up and say we are Oldham Athletic and go out and prove we are the biggest club down here. Teams should be fearful of us and we should be imposing ourselves all over some of these clubs. That's not arrogance, it's just what bigger clubs do. If the staff and players can't handle that then they shouldn't be here. We must strive to make BP a fortress where we are 1 nil up before we have even kicked off. It needs a total change of mindset and stop accepting shit.

Why we in this mess? And who is the one club bigger?

[PeteG]

3 minutes ago, Crusoe said:

But what does it matter who’s “bigger”?

 

There’s no god-given right to a league position. I’ve never really understood this appeal to history as having much value. It certainly hasn’t helped in the last 30 years.

 

I would like my club to be “bigger” based on performances and results. Couldn’t give a damn beyond that.

 

If you mean it as a motivational technique to inspire, fine I guess, but it’s failed the last few decades. And I still see people who think we ought to be winning because of who we were rather than because we’re actually earning it on the pitch. 

You are of course correct, however, it's a mentality thing. We haven't acted like a bigger club over the last 30 years, we've talked ourselves down, we've been accepting of being an also ran in whatever division we've played in. It needs to change. The players and staff should be standing proud to pull that shirt on and willing to run through brick walls to show what it means. We shouldn't be embarrassed to say we shouldn't be in this division but we need players to go out and prove they shouldn't. It's basically leadership. Keep telling yourself you are shit and this is where we are and this is where you will stay.