Hank Kingsley Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 He had a plan. It was somewhat crippled once Cassidy was injured but he was trying to work out the best way to go next (doesn't help when Forte gets himself sent off.) We were hard to beat until some players literally downed tools vs Posh. It's happened again since under Dunn twice (Scunny and Southend) and will happen again. Dunn hasn't taken us forwards at all and in many ways has taken us backwards. Hence he deserves the sack more than Kelly did. Not sure if i'm understanding this right. So the players "literally"? downed tools under Kelly and again under Dunn, twice, therefore Dunn deserves the sack more than Kelly did. So if Dunn's sacked and the players decide to "down tools", (literally of course), under the new manager in three games, will he be even more deserving of the sack? Total utter nonsense, Dunn is well aware some players jacked it in in certain games, that's why he's actively trying to ship them out, which is all credit to him. One thing Dunn did as a player was give 100% every game, it must be galling for him when a team of professional footballers under his charge can't be arsed, he deserves the opportunity to bring players in who will actually live up to their job title and act like a professional. Maybe instead of the board interviewing prospective managers the players should be conducting them, then at least they'll get someone they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Further evidence that these ARE decent players......?They are decent players. Just mentally weak. IF Dunn gets his way and manages to offload the ones he described as happy just to be a pro in league 1 or 2 then it'd be fascinating to see how many of them forge a successful career in the top half of league 1 or higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Not sure if i'm understanding this right. So the players "literally"? downed tools under Kelly and again under Dunn, twice, therefore Dunn deserves the sack more than Kelly did. So if Dunn's sacked and the players decide to "down tools", (literally of course), under the new manager in three games, will he be even more deserving of the sack? Total utter nonsense, Dunn is well aware some players jacked it in in certain games, that's why he's actively trying to ship them out, which is all credit to him. One thing Dunn did as a player was give 100% every game, it must be galling for him when a team of professional footballers under his charge can't be arsed, he deserves the opportunity to bring players in who will actually live up to their job title and act like a professional. Maybe instead of the board interviewing prospective managers the players should be conducting them, then at least they'll get someone they like. Hank... We're you at the Fleetwood game? In what way did Dunn give 100%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 They are decent players. Just mentally weak. IF Dunn gets his way and manages to offload the ones he described as happy just to be a pro in league 1 or 2 then it'd be fascinating to see how many of them forge a successful career in the top half of league 1 or higher. 'They are decent players. Just mentally weak'. That's because Johnson carried out due diligence on all his signings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Not sure if i'm understanding this right. So the players "literally"? downed tools under Kelly and again under Dunn, twice, therefore Dunn deserves the sack more than Kelly did. So if Dunn's sacked and the players decide to "down tools", (literally of course), under the new manager in three games, will he be even more deserving of the sack? Total utter nonsense, Dunn is well aware some players jacked it in in certain games, that's why he's actively trying to ship them out, which is all credit to him. One thing Dunn did as a player was give 100% every game, it must be galling for him when a team of professional footballers under his charge can't be arsed, he deserves the opportunity to bring players in who will actually live up to their job title and act like a professional. Maybe instead of the board interviewing prospective managers the players should be conducting them, then at least they'll get someone they like. But Dunn has kept picking the players that have consistently not been good enough. Cornell and James Wilson for two of them. It was only when Wilson literally did nothing as he watched a ball roll over the line that Dunn (far too late) was forced to drop him. And he STILL hasn't dropped Cornell who has continued to screw us over. It's been obvious to everyone for weeks. And he's had 8 loanees is it? Improved us have they? I don't trust Dunn to bring in the right personnel and even less trust his man management to get the team performing. We go down if he stays and I'm not prepared to wait until May to say "told you so" Edited January 6, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Total utter nonsense, Dunn is well aware some players jacked it in in certain games, that's why he's actively trying to ship them out, which is all credit to him. One thing Dunn did as a player was give 100% every game, it must be galling for him when a team of professional footballers under his charge can't be arsed, he deserves the opportunity to bring players in who will actually live up to their job title and act like a professional. Maybe instead of the board interviewing prospective managers the players should be conducting them, then at least they'll get someone they like. Arguably, the thing he's most famous for is that failed piece of trickery when he fell flat on his arse while playing for Birmingham. While it was undoubtedly funny at the time, he looked ridiculous and arrogant and came across like he wasn't taking the game seriously. Hardly a shining example.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Yet ironically, I don't believe we would be 5pts adrift of safety if he hadn't been sacked. Something we'll never know. Probably 10!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Hank... We're you at the Fleetwood game? In what way did Dunn give 100%? Considering he only had 20 minutes Gaz and he was far from fully fit I would say he did reasonably well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 He had a plan. It was somewhat crippled once Cassidy was injured but he was trying to work out the best way to go next (doesn't help when Forte gets himself sent off.) We were hard to beat until some players literally downed tools vs Posh. It's happened again since under Dunn twice (Scunny and Southend) and will happen again. Dunn hasn't taken us forwards at all and in many ways has taken us backwards. Hence he deserves the sack more than Kelly did. Kelly's days were severely numbered the minute Dunn walked through the door. Dunn coming in, with rumours immediately surfacing that he was lined up as Kelly's replacement, left him in a near-untenable position. If it's true that coming to Latics had been sold to Dunn on the basis he would soon be manager, the club created a ridiculous conflict of interest as it meant Dunn had much vested in us performing badly. Kelly was utterly out of his depth but no more so than Dunn and I struggle to see how it could have been much worse if we'd left him in charge. Still, we do things proper round 'ere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Kelly's days were severely numbered the minute Dunn walked through the door. Dunn coming in, with rumours immediately surfacing that he was lined up as Kelly's replacement, left him in a near-untenable position. If it's true that coming to Latics had been sold to Dunn on the basis he would soon be manager, the club created a ridiculous conflict of interest as it meant Dunn had much vested in us performing badly. Kelly was utterly out of his depth but no more so than Dunn and I struggle to see how it could have been much worse if we'd left him in charge. Still, we do things proper round 'ere. Yes, how it happened was very wrong...Kelly could have remained had the club come out and backed him from day one. Even from game 7 they could have quashed all rumours and uncertainty. Kelly alone was a sitting duck. Done properly, I think we would have more points than we currently have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardOafc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I don't think either Kelly or Dunn, should have been anywhere near getting our managers job,Didn't corney say he had the best list of applicants ever? I also think both of the above have had a huge effect on player confidence and form. An example being mills probobly up there with the best in this league in his position last season, lucky if he gets picked this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) But Dunn has kept picking the players that have consistently not been good enough. Cornell and James Wilson for two of them. It was only when Wilson literally did nothing as he watched a ball roll over the line that Dunn (far too late) was forced to drop him. And he STILL hasn't dropped Cornell who has continued to screw us over. It's been obvious to everyone for weeks. And he's had 8 loanees is it? Improved us have they? I don't trust Dunn to bring in the right personnel and even less trust his man management to get the team performing. We go down if he stays and I'm not prepared to wait until May to say "told you so" Who could he have picked instead of James Wilson considering both Burn and O'Connell were both out injured?. And I can just see how that would have gone down if he'd paired either of them with Dieng. He moved Brian Wilson to centre half at the first opportunity. Cornell - yea he's been a nightmare but Coleman made costly mistakes, I think Dunn initially played Cornell as he was trying to protect a young keeper by taking him out of the firing line, okay it's backfired but it isn't Dunn's fault he was left with two keepers who aren't good enough, (though Coleman may be in time) Putting a young keeper behind our defence the way they've been performing would have been grossly unfair. As for the loan signings, I would contend that Lafferty, Dummigan and Higdon improved us, Rasulo offered something different, Fulton did well though not consistently, probably because he's still young and inexperienced, Wellens has definitely improved us can't think of the other 2 but I'm sure you'll point them out. If Dunn stays we may well go down, if he's replaced it's a certainty. Edited January 6, 2016 by Hank Kingsley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) On the plus side: http://m.theargus.co.uk/sport/14189247.Reds_boss_admits_there_s__no_chance__of_goal_ace_Murphy_returning/ Here's a theory: we were always going to sell either Murphy or Philliskirk. If one stayed, the other went. If that's right, I think we made the right choice. Edited January 7, 2016 by NewBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Great news let's keep him fit and hopefully he can continue banging them in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Seems he wants to stay http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/96055/murphys-hope-for-cassidy-linkup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I like him. He came on last night and you could tell he really, really wants to score goals. He needs a bit of polishing (which we know Shez can do with a striker) but, depending on who else comes, in he should be first choice upfront for me. He can finish (a bit) but he also tries to, and wants to, make his own goals like he did last night just after he came on. Given a run he'll bag a few whether he gets good enough service or doesn't. We don't have another striker like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I was a Murphy is useless campaigner when he was playing up front on his own. Since he came back from Crawley i have watched him closer as i thought no mugs score 10 goals in 16 games at any level. He makes some great runs off the ball but unfortunately we don't have anybody at the moment who can pick the right ball out to play him in , Maybe Palmer can do that and coupled with a big front man i think he could be our 20 goals a season striker. Much prefer him to Poleon who is getting more frustrating as each game passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I was a Murphy is useless campaigner when he was playing up front on his own. Since he came back from Crawley i have watched him closer as i thought no mugs score 10 goals in 16 games at any level. He makes some great runs off the ball but unfortunately we don't have anybody at the moment who can pick the right ball out to play him in , Maybe Palmer can do that and coupled with a big front man i think he could be our 20 goals a season striker. Much prefer him to Poleon who is getting more frustrating as each game passes. Pretty much sums up my thoughts, to be fair though he was bloody useless when we first saw him! But you can see now he has something, for me all that's lacking is a yard or two of pace, it's a pity we can't make a hybrid out of him and Poleon. Let's hope he can build a partnership with Cassidy, if the pair of them could muster 15 goals between them between now and the end of the season it would probably see us safe. It's a big if though at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Jake Cassidy probably wont score 15 goals between now and the end of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Jake Cassidy probably wont score 15 goals between now and the end of his career. Remember when Kelly planned a whole season around him being the main man? Scary :censored:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Remember when Kelly planned a whole season around him being the main man? Scary :censored:. Don't think many of us at the time said it was scary to be fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I loved it on Saturday when Murphy hid behind their keeper to try and nick the ball. He looked like the Hamburgler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I loved it on Saturday when Murphy hid behind their keeper to try and nick the ball. He looked like the Hamburgler. Davey Moore in his pomp at Mossley scored a least 5 a season doing just that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I loved it on Saturday when Murphy hid behind their keeper to try and nick the ball. He looked like the Hamburgler. Reminds me of this beauty... <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3y_IOU6Lb2g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Pretty much sums up my thoughts, to be fair though he was bloody useless when we first saw him! But you can see now he has something, for me all that's lacking is a yard or two of pace, it's a pity we can't make a hybrid out of him and Poleon. Let's hope he can build a partnership with Cassidy, if the pair of them could muster 15 goals between them between now and the end of the season it would probably see us safe. It's a big if though at this stage. If we had the hybrid, we would end up with someone slow as :censored: that struggles to control a ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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