oafc0000 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) I have no problem with that opinion, I don't fully agree but each to their own. What I have a problem with is comments like "we have a trust?" When Underdog on here gives regular updates. I wouldn't blame the trust volunteers for packing it in when they receive comments like that. No you are right it wasn't the best... I will apologise for that.... But personally I would prefer the Trust not to be there going forward... I don't think its an effective organisation... While I have personal respect for people like Underdog who clearly love the club and work hard... as an organisation its an utter failure in every way I could think of... and always has been.... Edited December 2, 2015 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Bad news and look who crawls out of the woodwork - proper fan! People get sexual gratification where ever they can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 No you are right it wasn't the best... I will apologise for that.... But personally I would prefer the Trust not to be there going forward... I don't think its an effective organisation... While I have personal respect for people like Underdog who clearly love the club and work hard... as an organisation its an utter failure in every way I could think of... and always has been.... I agree that I'd like it to be more influential in important club matters. For example I think the whole Ched Evans mess would've been avoided with some basic consultation with trust members. While he can't be blamed for everything, I think the trust is still picking up the pieces from Barry's time in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Doesn't really have anything to do with the trust so why would they need to make a statement? It's best to keep these sort of problems in house. Obviously this time it's been leaked and the players have now been supposedly paid. Let's move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Doesn't really have anything to do with the trust so why would they need to make a statement? It's best to keep these sort of problems in house. Obviously this time it's been leaked and the players have now been supposedly paid. Let's move on Issues of cash flow are not anything to do with the trust ? Really ? While I would have the trust operating in a totally different way... Surely the whole point in the trust in its current format is to have a seat on the board taking great interest in exactly these things.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Doesn't really have anything to do with the trust so why would they need to make a statement? It's best to keep these sort of problems in house. Obviously this time it's been leaked and the players have now been supposedly paid. Let's move on For the avoidance of any doubt, this is not a criticism of the Trust's actions on this but, as for why should they issue a statement, I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation. The Trust began as something to try and protect against a situation similar to that when Chris Moore pissed off occurring again. This sort of news clearly raises concerns in terms of the financial stability of the club and so I think it's obvious that fans would be looking for some reassurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Issues of cash flow are not anything to do with the trust ? Really ? While I would have the trust operating in a totally different way... Surely the whole point in the trust in its current format is to have a seat on the board taking great interest in exactly these things.... We did have a 24/7 operative on the Board and look how that worked out. Can you just stop whinging-we already have yarddog we dont need another, thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The intriguing thing is that this was news. I already knew the players had not been paid on time before this month. It is clear that the North Stand is over budget and money has been hard to find so the thinking was why not use what we have and hope cash can be generated by offering for example part season season tickets and reduced prices for attendance. What is disappointing is that this was not just a one off and the thought that where is the money coming from for the December pay packets if we get dumped out of the cup on Saturday. It is also disappointing that most of the posters here can't understand how much non payment of wages, deferred payment is non payment, will impact on performance particularly when 'supporters' get on your back for just doing what the manager has told you to do. The wonderful, the great, our salvation, the North Stand could just be the reason why we get relegated this season. We will know the depth of the problem in January if player after player is sold. Until then we will be told nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pk200 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 When the Trust was told that a story was about to break they should have been informed what that "story" was surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Players not paid on time for the THIRD month running, according to the rarely wrong! http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/95500/latics-make-pay-pledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The intriguing thing is that this was news. I already knew the players had not been paid on time before this month. It is clear that the North Stand is over budget and money has been hard to find so the thinking was why not use what we have and hope cash can be generated by offering for example part season season tickets and reduced prices for attendance. What is disappointing is that this was not just a one off and the thought that where is the money coming from for the December pay packets if we get dumped out of the cup on Saturday. It is also disappointing that most of the posters here can't understand how much non payment of wages, deferred payment is non payment, will impact on performance particularly when 'supporters' get on your back for just doing what the manager has told you to do. The wonderful, the great, our salvation, the North Stand could just be the reason why we get relegated this season. We will know the depth of the problem in January if player after player is sold. Until then we will be told nothing! You kept that quiet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 When the Trust was told that a story was about to break they should have been informed what that "story" was surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 We will know the depth of the problem in January if player after player is sold. Until then we will be told nothing! Just wait till they start advertising next year's season tickets early, in a cash-grab attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pk200 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Blueheart ...your point is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Just wait till they start advertising next year's season tickets early, in a cash-grab attempt. Like Blackpool did, look how thats ended up! At least they can bank on the season ticket money for next season having kept the supporters on side with all thats been going on in the last 12 months ..... oops we may be in a spot of bother here. Edited December 2, 2015 by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I can't understand why it's taken 3 months for a director to give an explanation to a team meeting. That should have been done on the 1st instance. The talk in the dressing room must have been about wondering if they would be paid. Terrible treatment that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just wait till they start advertising next year's season tickets early, in a cash-grab attempt. Half yearly ones are on sale now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slash Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Surely we've saved a fortune on goals and win bonuses over the past 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The Trust probably needs to take another look st what's its role would be if a minor cash flow problem becomes a company collapse. Is there a fighting fund? Could it cover basic legal bills? Could it quickly mobilise a communication strategy to save the club? I'm guessing the answer is no on all counts. Getting to a point where it would become a yes should probably be a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 We did have a 24/7 operative on the Board and look how that worked out. Can you just stop whinging-we already have yarddog we dont need another, thank you I was here first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The Trust probably needs to take another look st what's its role would be if a minor cash flow problem becomes a company collapse. Is there a fighting fund? Could it cover basic legal bills? Could it quickly mobilise a communication strategy to save the club? I'm guessing the answer is no on all counts. Getting to a point where it would become a yes should probably be a priority. It should of been a priority 11 years ago... I have been saying this for a 11 years but I got laughed down I reckon if we had done 11 years of fund raising instead of pissing it up the wall by giving it to the club we would be in a reasonably strong position now. Its never too late though to start doing the right thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) With regards to war chest funds, the trust do have approx £11k in the account and the books are audited every year. We have been unable to work on any type of hard drive fundraising initiatives over the last few season as our numbers have been few. At the AGM new members were voted in and a co-opted member too. This meant we are back up to maximum numbers. More hands, more ideas, more resources The delay of the main stand Has put us on the back foot with regards to the fundraising drive and other promotions stuff we wanted to do. There has been a meet the manger event at the Railway, open fans forums and we did have planned for November a meet Roger Palmer drop in event in the new stand with a donation on the door (new date tba). Up and coming joint trust/club event of party in park on the 12th of this month, were it's a chance to all fans, players,club employees to tried and shake off the doldrums and get some festive spirit and maybe kick off our season..okay, okay I know it's going to be tough one and I can only hope. Running with party in the park is the toy/food bank imitative too. Yes okay not all are fundraisers for trust only, but we felt our profile needed to be raised so maybe some charity, small events to be done first. There have been ideas submitted by the fans too, OAFCTOM has suggested an end of season players/fans event like a summer fate, BBQ, games etc,we had the idea of quiz nights in the new stand and I know one of the trust committee would like to see the end of season cricket players v fans match restored. Lots of ideas just on hold at the moment Edited December 2, 2015 by underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmarra Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Interesting that our Chief Executive is an Accountant and we have cash flow problems. Not particularly sure that he performs at Chief Executive level so where are his skills being applied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It should of been a priority 11 years ago... I have been saying this for a 11 years but I got laughed down I reckon if we had done 11 years of fund raising instead of pissing it up the wall by giving it to the club we would be in a reasonably strong position now. Its never too late though to start doing the right thing.... An interesting idea. I've been a fan of playershare because I've trusted that the club and the manager's judgement for recruiting the player in question. Right now, going off recent times, I'm not sure that I do. Fuller doesn't look like being anything more than a bit part player and Murphy wasn't really given a good chance. I understand it would be detrimental to the team in the short term, but would it be a possibility (or acceptable to the trust or the fans) to withhold the playershare money from the club in January as a vote of no confidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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