Dave_Og Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: No but I'm able to make a distinction between the two. For some people it is all about the result on a matchday and that's cool, personally I need a bit more depth to in terms of the bigger picture if you like to hold my interest. This is worrying, I'm finding myself agreeing with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCBilly Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Agree with all that, very difficult to say what is enough/too much because that question is all down to individuals and how well they do/how long they stay. Perhaps the biggest factor in losing the important feeling of connection is the rapid turnover of players and we all know that has been a problem for years and probably for most lower league clubs. The end of the day though, footballers are human beings. It’s a short career, and they have to take into account the variables of ambition, loyalty, success, being closer to family, standard of living, etc I feel connected to the players. Yes I work at the club so it’s a bit easier... but I want to see George Edmundson and Tom Hamer do well, I think Langy can go right to the top he’s that good and technically gifted. Peter Clarke gives his all every game despite being THIRTY SEVEN (I genuinely think some fans forget that), COG is the nicest man in football, and it may show on the pitch sometimes, but he’s a work horse and I admire his professionalism. Missilou and Nepomuceno are different class, I get excited when Nepo gets on the ball, he’s the best left winger we’ve had in years. As long as they give their all whilst they’re here, if they move they move. It’s not on us to decide for them or vilify a human being for making a decision, even if they are professional footballers Edited January 19, 2019 by OAFCBilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Don’t care where we sign them from. Don’t care who buys them. Don’t even care who’s coaching them.....as long as we’re winning. I still get a sense of xenophobia from some of the media because we’ve got a foreign owner who’s buying or loaning foreign players. Comments like “flooding the team”, “basement French leagues” have started to disappear but it’s still around because we’re not following the traditional manager buying players model. AL is a foreign owner but before that he was a foreign football agent who was successful enough to blow millions in buying a football club. Granted he’s hot-headed but perhaps he has insight to acquire a lower-league team who could, one day, return to the multi-millions in Championship/Premier League. Started at the bottom he can acquire affordable talent; playing away from the radar and not asking ridiculous money on wages or fees. We can develop them - and the club - along the way to sell them for a profit and make the club self-sustainable and, dare I say it, profitable too. It may succeed, it may not. However AL is keeping our club alive. Stuff the sycophantic press, ex-players, ex-owners and ex-managers who criticise anyone who challenges the old school way of doing things and refuse to pander to the professional footballer community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshaw Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Not sure that is necessarily a good reason for importing unknown foreigners in to be honest... I didnt say that it was a good reason...but given where we are at, and who is doing the signing....it could work to our advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, manshaw said: I didnt say that it was a good reason...but given where we are at, and who is doing the signing....it could work to our advantage Hasn't done so far but I guess this is the way it will be for the foreseeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, OAFCBilly said: The end of the day though, footballers are human beings. It’s a short career, and they have to take into account the variables of ambition, loyalty, success, being closer to family, standard of living, etc I feel connected to the players. Yes I work at the club so it’s a bit easier... but I want to see George Edmundson and Tom Hamer do well, I think Langy can go right to the top he’s that good and technically gifted. Peter Clarke gives his all every game despite being THIRTY SEVEN (I genuinely think some fans forget that), COG is the nicest man in football, and it may show on the pitch sometimes, but he’s a work horse and I admire his professionalism. Missilou and Nepomuceno are different class, I get excited when Nepo gets on the ball, he’s the best left winger we’ve had in years. As long as they give their all whilst they’re here, if they move they move. It’s not on us to decide for them or vilify a human being for making a decision, even if they are professional footballers thanks for the insights....I agree if they pull on the shirt and we see that effort on the pitch, then we support....its when you don't see the effort that pees me off....I make the effort to freeze to death watching them, the odd goal keeps my blood flowing when i celebrate its a necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 What a well reasoned thread of late. Thanks OAFCBilly. Interesting that we could start with 11 overseas players if we have seven homegrown on the bench. I don't expect our players to identify with Oldham, I don't as a Kentish Man, but I do expect them to identify with the team as I do and that is where Bunn and now Wild seem to have had some success. No doubt Fulham will help and I'm sure Vera is looking forward to playing in the FA Cup and I hope he starts today to get a feel for the English game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Monty Burns said: Missile has had three good games. Less than Maouche has. He's had a few more than 3 good games that's a little harsh. Maouche has had a few good games but it's taken us 15 months to see anything of him If you buy domestic players they don't take that long to adjust they usually hit the ground running. which is the other major advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Midsblue said: Don’t care where we sign them from. Don’t care who buys them. Don’t even care who’s coaching them.....as long as we’re winning. I still get a sense of xenophobia from some of the media because we’ve got a foreign owner who’s buying or loaning foreign players. Comments like “flooding the team”, “basement French leagues” have started to disappear but it’s still around because we’re not following the traditional manager buying players model. AL is a foreign owner but before that he was a foreign football agent who was successful enough to blow millions in buying a football club. Granted he’s hot-headed but perhaps he has insight to acquire a lower-league team who could, one day, return to the multi-millions in Championship/Premier League. Started at the bottom he can acquire affordable talent; playing away from the radar and not asking ridiculous money on wages or fees. We can develop them - and the club - along the way to sell them for a profit and make the club self-sustainable and, dare I say it, profitable too. It may succeed, it may not. However AL is keeping our club alive. Stuff the sycophantic press, ex-players, ex-owners and ex-managers who criticise anyone who challenges the old school way of doing things and refuse to pander to the professional footballer community. Well put. In the short term I want us to be stronger leaving the Transfer Window than entering it. It doesn’t bother me if that comes from AL identifying players or if someone else does. Given Pete Wild’s probable lack of exposure to players at other clubs then it’s unreasonable to expect a massive input from him in this window. However he does seem to be able to coach well and get the players performing as a unit and that’s what he should be concentrating on. The old role of manager is vanishing even at Div 3 & 4 level. If our owner is adept at identifying talent , from wherever, then we should see this as a positive. Not every signing will pay off - they never have , viz Moulden, Currie, McDonald, in the Royle years-. We are in different times, and we have to make the most of them. Edited January 19, 2019 by LaticsPete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, LaticsPete said: Well put. In the short term I want us to be stronger leaving the Transfer Window than entering it. It doesn’t bother me if that comes from AL identifying players or if someone else does. Given Pete Wild’s probable lack of exposure to players at other clubs then it’s unreasonable to expect a massive input from him in this window. However he does seem to be able to coach well and get the players performing as a unit and that’s what he should be concentrating on. The old role of manager is vanishing even at Div 3 & 4 level. If our owner is adept at identifying talent , from wherever, then we should see this as a positive. Not every signing will pay off - they never have , viz Moulden, Currie, McDonald, in the Royle years-. We are in different times, and we have to make the most expensive f them. Great post. . Oh you forgot Derrick Parker in the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: If you buy domestic players they don't take that long to adjust they usually hit the ground running. which is the other major advantage. Adam Rooney didn’t. Nor did half of the other players Wellens brought in last year or Dunn before him. I dont think Lang or Surridge had much to do with being domestic players but skilful players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longlostfan Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Some continuity is key. Typically first game of the season it looks like strangers playing together for the first time and in recent years it has been. I don't care where they were born, I'm OK if we build slowly rather than blow whatever funds are available then spend the next 10 years hand to mouth. I'd like to see George and Hamer develop for a few years and more of the youth come through. Some of our better players will get sold- if we can develop them to get a good fee ( and sell ons....) and recycle that money in to raising the average standard of the team we could see us compete at a higher level. If we brought two youth through each year and sold one of them for a six figure fee two years later, and did the same with some of AL's imports couldn't that be successful? I've no idea if Sylla will be a success. I hope he is. A contract to end of next season shows some confidence. I'm pleased We have what - half a dozen contracted to be here next year? If the buy/ develop sell on model is to work some of the current squad need tying down. Regardless it would be good to have a core playing in April who start in August. It used to be the team evolved slowly from season to season- a couple of signings, a couple released/ retired, an occasional sale. Maybe those days have gone for ever . But I think I would feel more of a connection if they were 'our players'. - ones we had watched for a couple of seasons and that obviously had some 'pride in the shirt'. Don't care where they were born or where they played before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Longlostfan said: Some continuity is key. Typically first game of the season it looks like strangers playing together for the first time and in recent years it has been. I don't care where they were born, I'm OK if we build slowly rather than blow whatever funds are available then spend the next 10 years hand to mouth. I'd like to see George and Hamer develop for a few years and more of the youth come through. Some of our better players will get sold- if we can develop them to get a good fee ( and sell ons....) and recycle that money in to raising the average standard of the team we could see us compete at a higher level. If we brought two youth through each year and sold one of them for a six figure fee two years later, and did the same with some of AL's imports couldn't that be successful? I've no idea if Sylla will be a success. I hope he is. A contract to end of next season shows some confidence. I'm pleased We have what - half a dozen contracted to be here next year? If the buy/ develop sell on model is to work some of the current squad need tying down. Regardless it would be good to have a core playing in April who start in August. It used to be the team evolved slowly from season to season- a couple of signings, a couple released/ retired, an occasional sale. Maybe those days have gone for ever . But I think I would feel more of a connection if they were 'our players'. - ones we had watched for a couple of seasons and that obviously had some 'pride in the shirt'. Don't care where they were born or where they played before. Vera is on a 1 and a half year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, BP1960 said: Vera is on a 1 and a half year contract. He’s not. He’s here til the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rteoafc Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Monty Burns said: Missile has had three good games. Less than Maouche has. Think Missilou has had more than three good games but, in any event, is the difference between them at this stage that since he’s found his feet Missilou has been performing consistently whereas Maouche has been less so? Not that I’m actually being critical of Maouche because I think he’s played well in a good few games. Edited January 19, 2019 by rteoafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, jorvik_latic said: He’s not. He’s here til the end of the season. Correct. Its one of the others. Edited January 19, 2019 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Correct. Its one of the others. Sefil and Sylla have 18 month contracts I think Edited January 19, 2019 by kowenicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Sefil and Sylla have 18 month contracts I think Sefil certainly has; can't remember what we gave Sylla. Vera is to end of season but, if he's the 20 goal a season striker we've been crying out for, who's to say he won't get another contract? I just hope he isn't written off as crap if he's a bit below par in his first couple of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldham82 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Sylla and vera to the end of this season I'm pretty sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkleking Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Oldham82 said: Sylla and vera to the end of this season I'm pretty sure Sylla is on a one and a half year contract according to the official site. https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2019/january/05012019-sylla-signs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Hands on said: What a well reasoned thread of late. Thanks OAFCBilly. Interesting that we could start with 11 overseas players if we have seven homegrown on the bench. I don't expect our players to identify with Oldham, I don't as a Kentish Man, but I do expect them to identify with the team as I do and that is where Bunn and now Wild seem to have had some success. No doubt Fulham will help and I'm sure Vera is looking forward to playing in the FA Cup and I hope he starts today to get a feel for the English game. As Saddleworthite now residing in the land of Kentish Man, for me it is an indefinable mix of success, skill, effort but also length of service. Very few of the ones that are here for a season or two stick in my mind. Sadly far too many of them in the last couple of decades. I'd love Missilou and the like to be here for 4,5 years-with success of course. Dummigan and Hunt, for example, I don't particularly identify with, maybe unfairly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Seems a waste to not be playing hunt or dummingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, latics22 said: Seems a waste to not be playing hunt or dummingham. But the team is playing well so why would you want to change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: But the team is playing well so why would you want to change? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) . Edited January 19, 2019 by Kusunga_Is_God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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