Latics vs Lincoln streamed friendly

[League one forever]

12 minutes ago, al_bro said:

Apparently Dearnley and Rowe are injured, and a couple of others have niggles. There's no comparison between last season's strike-force of Segbe and Wilson and the firepower available this season.

Always felt Wilson wasn’t given any belief or a proper run by Banny or Dino, and therefore looked poor when he played. You don’t score 16 goals in a season in a struggling side if you’re shit. Alas we’ll never know now. 
 

Agree we a much stronger unit over all. 

[SweeperKeeper]

4 hours ago, Gaz_Oafc said:

Apparently the number 6 was Ben Garrity from Blackpool, not McCourt

 

Would he be more likely to be a loan than a permanent move?  He only joined Blackpool in January.

[BP1960]

2 hours ago, oafc 123 said:

I hate friendlies because it gives you false hope for the season if we play well.  It's reminds me of when we beat City 2-1 under Dickov 

 

A big improvement on losing to Stockport though, when it could be clearly seen the squad wasn't good enough, This looks promising IMO considering several more, hopefully of similar quality, will be added.

[unsworth blue]

Just now, BP1960 said:

 

A big improvement on losing to Stockport though, when it could be clearly seen the squad wasn't good enough, This looks promising IMO considering several more, hopefully of similar quality, will be added.

 

I don't generally pay any attention to results of pre-season games, historically i feel that Latics always tended to do better when we had had a shocking run of pre-season results. I used to think if we won the Isle of Man trophy, we would struggle, seemed to always happen. 

 

I was concerned last season though at how the team got the runaround from both Halifax and Stockport at home and this proved a reliable barometer of the season to come. 

 

I am encouraged by some of the ability shown by some of our signings but i would urge caution as the League is a much harder environment in which to display silky skills and i feel the team looks a bit lightweight for a long hard campaign ahead. I hope that the club can attract a couple of hard nosed seasoned pros to guide the talented youngsters through their development. Also there doesn't appear to be much else in reserve bar Dearnley, Rowe & Wheater (all of whom i hope Latics can retain and get the best out of). A competitive squad of 18-20 decent players is a must in my opinion as injuries and suspensions can easily eat away at resources when games come thick and fast. 

 

Whatever happens, i hope the players enjoy the challenges they face, play for the shirt, the Manager, the fans and each other - if this happens, then hopefully the club can start making progress (on the field at least) and commence the long road back to League One        

 

           

[Clubfootkilkenny]

I’m comfortable with us against teams like Lincoln and even forest. Is this team going to be able to deal with teams like Colchester and Crawley where every player is over 6ft. I’m dubious, especially if we haven’t got any pace to get up the pitch. 
 

promising start but we need a few more before we can get near my third place prediction. 
 

oh and why they not wearing this new kit yet. Hope this isn’t the next AL scam. 

[L1onheartNew]

Just watched the game.

I thought that our weak link was down the right. Lincoln got round the back of Hamer on multiple occasions and atm doesnt have an understanding with Grant. 

Having said that, we looked much better than most of last seasons league games.

Jombati looked comfortable and Macleney reminds me of Charlie Mac.

Havent enjoyed a friendly as much since we played the Romanians.

Promising.

#15 looked solid when he came on. Improvement on Fage. 

CBJ is heart in mouth and needs to improve.

Pidge, solid signing. 

 

As far as regular streaming is concerned, welcome to my world...

 

[Midsblue]

Must be only me but I saw a lot of positives in the game yesterday.  Especially when this team has been cobbled together recently and their only gel time is training and a couple of friendlies.  No core to the team from previous seasons.

 

Lawlor - didn’t really do much but looks more confident that what we had previously aside from Iversen.  Defence let him down for their goal

 

Hamer - weak link at RB and just don’t see why some clubs interested in him.  I’d sell if I could to use to strengthen 

 

Jombati - better at RB but gives us flexibility in centre.  Love how he gets forward and his tricks, touches are a delight - especially setting up second goal

 

Piergianni - solid centre half.  However crying out for another no-nonsense lump alongside him.  Lemsagam needs to sort out his issue with Wheater

 

Borthwick-Jackson - jury still out for me but highly rated and reckon he’ll do a job at LB.  This is where we need to strengthen though; full backs

 

Whelan - highly rated at Man Utd and showed promise.  Kept stuff simple, ticking over with passes and his linkup with Jombati leading to second goal showed he has a football brain

 

Fage - better than what I’ve seen before.  Would like to see him more before making decision.  Was always available when needed rather than disappearing in midfield like MM used to

 

Garrity (Trialist) - looked very promising in midfield, no nonsense and broke up their play throughout.  Sounds like we’re signing him up

Grant, Keillor-Dunn, McAleny - all three playing together I like.  Always supporting one another, linking up well, threatening and having these three together with Rowe and Dearnley means our attack is not only sorted but potent too.  Keillor-Dunn looks the find of the last few seasons.  I reckon we need a big lump though to act as target man and foil for the others.

 

So my reckoning we need the following -

2 x CD - 1 if Wheater stays, 2 if not

1 x LB

1 x RB

2 x CM - at least 2 even after Garrity signs.  Where’s Saul disappeared to as he’s a DM and highly rated? He’d be ideal
2 x wingers - Grant & DKD can play wide but need competition

1 x CF - lump, target man

 

Thats 7 to 9 more players needed and we kick off competitively next weekend.  Window shuts October though and if no injuries, the starting XI from yesterday could win us a few L2 games whilst we strengthen.

 

Have to be honest; been quietly impressed with recruitment so far this close season.  We’ve either dropped lucky with one or two agencies, Kewell is having a say or ML has miraculously discovered non-league domestic football and a good eye to scouting.  Lots of promise to see us top end of L2 or even amongst playoffs IF that team yesterday stays injury free and potent.  Too good to be true and I’m expecting the Lemsagams to fuck it all up

 

[singe]

Thought I'd just put the sublime goal in here. Superb.

 

 

First one was not too shabby either!

 

[Lags]

I think the positive posts just goes to show, if the product on the pitch is right, it doesn't matter nearly half as much who's in the boardroom. 

If we can win games without being out and out dominant it bodes well. Finish the squad off with the same style recruitment, then the 5 year plan may just come off. Whatever Wycombe can do and all that. 

[rudemedic]

9 hours ago, Midsblue said:

Thats 7 to 9 more players needed and we kick off competitively next weekend.  Window shuts October though and if no injuries, the starting XI from yesterday could win us a few L2 games whilst we strengthen.

 

Our starting back 4 in the last Saturday pre-season friendly last season was:

Mills, Stott, Sefil, Iacovitti. 

 

None of those were first choice by December, nevermind February. 

 

We signed both Wheater and Egert on the equivalent of this Thursday. Fage was signed the equivalent of this Tuesday. Then we signed the likes of McCann and Jones after the window shut. 

 

It's less common for loan signings to be completed before the season starts as clubs in Championship / Premier League assess their squads. 

 

With the current pandemic that situation is probably going to be amplified. I'm a lot more confident at this point this season than the equivalent last season, when we'd just been outclassed by Stockport and looked very vulnerable defensively. 

 

We do need a bigger squad, and the versatility of the likes of Fage will be beneficial but very few clubs at our level have completed their transfers by the start of the season, nevermind a week before. 

[al_bro]

21 hours ago, Lags said:

I think the positive posts just goes to show, if the product on the pitch is right, it doesn't matter nearly half as much who's in the boardroom. 

If we can win games without being out and out dominant it bodes well. Finish the squad off with the same style recruitment, then the 5 year plan may just come off. Whatever Wycombe can do and all that. 

To a certain extent, but why freeze out players who haven't towed the line and stood up for themselves. One of them the club captain. Other players who did as they were told, were awarded an extra three months pay before leaving (if they are leaving). It's just not the right way to go about it. Closing a stand without explaining why. Again the wrong way to go about it. Still, it's costing AL money doing it his way, so let him carry on.

[Chris15Arm]

7 minutes ago, al_bro said:

To a certain extent, but why freeze out players who haven't towed the line and stood up for themselves. One of them the club captain. Other players who did as they were told, were awarded an extra three months pay before leaving (if they are leaving). It's just not the right way to go about it. Closing a stand without explaining why. Again the wrong way to go about it. Still, it's costing AL money doing it his way, so let him carry on.

I may be in the minority and I would love to see wheater and coz back in the fold, but I have no sympathy and fully support AL on this one. (Not the stand issue. Any one of us non specialised ppl could go in and sort safety out in this time frame). On the furlough point though, I work in a hospital environment and had people off for 6 months isolating because of serious health conditions, unpaid as the government didnt pay furlough because their job is still open! I've known friends to lose jobs. I've known friends to take furlough and struggle. In a hospital environment I earn in 3 months what some of these players earn in a week, so they're not skint. So if they cant see the bigger picture of the whole country and worry about only bein paid 2 grand instead of 3 and half grand a week then they deserve to be dropped until they see sense

[nzlatic]

Without knowing the ins and outs it’s hard to say who is ‘morally’ right when it comes to the Wheater situation. But there is a distinct pattern of unusual things always happening that mean that high earners get frozen out until they leave. 

[al_bro]

1 hour ago, Chris15Arm said:

I may be in the minority and I would love to see wheater and coz back in the fold, but I have no sympathy and fully support AL on this one. (Not the stand issue. Any one of us non specialised ppl could go in and sort safety out in this time frame). On the furlough point though, I work in a hospital environment and had people off for 6 months isolating because of serious health conditions, unpaid as the government didnt pay furlough because their job is still open! I've known friends to lose jobs. I've known friends to take furlough and struggle. In a hospital environment I earn in 3 months what some of these players earn in a week, so they're not skint. So if they cant see the bigger picture of the whole country and worry about only bein paid 2 grand instead of 3 and half grand a week then they deserve to be dropped until they see sense

I agree. Wheater has stated that he agreed to be furloughed. What they seem to be disagreeing about is the amount of top up. But as you say, footballers do get well paid and shouldn't be complaining. It's just the way AL is handling it. Whether these problems have occurred at other clubs I don't know. It would be interesting to know how other clubs have solved this issue.

[Chris15Arm]

6 minutes ago, al_bro said:

I agree. Wheater has stated that he agreed to be furloughed. What they seem to be disagreeing about is the amount of top up. But as you say, footballers do get well paid and shouldn't be complaining. It's just the way AL is handling it. Whether these problems have occurred at other clubs I don't know. It would be interesting to know how other clubs have solved this issue.

I think AL is handling it perfectly. Someone say like hamer accepts it. Why should wheater get special treatment and get a top up if hamer doesnt. And players like ZDLP who got an extension deserved that extension because even though they dumped him by text and then sign him again he still agreed to come back and stick with the club. And stick with the likes of hamer in accepting what wages where offered over covid. Wether they're shit or not is up for everyone's discussion but maouche and ZDLP etc stuck by the club for whatever reason. I'd rather have that than someone moaning that they can only go to 4 star hotels on holiday rather than 5 stars because boohoo they didnt get a top up on their astronomical wages for this level of football. Hence why I agree with a lot of people when they say young rejects are youngry when we signed them this summer because despite whatever wages they get they're more interested in football. CBJ drives an old corsa or summat for god sake haha. He just wants regular football

[singe]

It's understandable that the owner will want to freeze out those players he interited that were being overpaid by the previous owner. Some of them are on very excessive and inflated contracts. So good to finally get rid of the last vestgiges of the Corney regime.

Oh hang on....

[latics22]

4 hours ago, Chris15Arm said:

I may be in the minority and I would love to see wheater and coz back in the fold, but I have no sympathy and fully support AL on this one. (Not the stand issue. Any one of us non specialised ppl could go in and sort safety out in this time frame). On the furlough point though, I work in a hospital environment and had people off for 6 months isolating because of serious health conditions, unpaid as the government didnt pay furlough because their job is still open! I've known friends to lose jobs. I've known friends to take furlough and struggle. In a hospital environment I earn in 3 months what some of these players earn in a week, so they're not skint. So if they cant see the bigger picture of the whole country and worry about only bein paid 2 grand instead of 3 and half grand a week then they deserve to be dropped until they see sense

Wheater accepted furlough?? And no offence he gets that a week not a month. I'm sure he has kids and a mortgage to pay. AL signed him on the agreed terms  no one else. A for Cbj if that's what he drives he squandered his money, wasn't he on 15k + at man u?

[jsslatic]

The club would get a lot more good will from players and fans if they didn't continually treat people like something on the bottom of their shoe.

 

Pay wages on time, treat office and football staff well, communicate properly with the fans, don't engineer a stand off that leads to a third of the home ends being shut off. Maybe then you'll garner some favour when you ask for it back.

 

Reap what you sow.

 

[Lags]

I've posted this before, clearly it's been ignored. 

I bumped into an old mate of mine who's son once was on the clubs books. Now at City, who paid latics 20K at the time. As we chatted about various things he got on to the troubles at latics and the discontent with the owner etc. He told me he'd been talking to a club employee who told him, he'd never been paid on time more often in years since Al took over. 

Not a popular view, but a true story. 

[Chris15Arm]

11 hours ago, latics22 said:

Wheater accepted furlough?? And no offence he gets that a week not a month. I'm sure he has kids and a mortgage to pay. AL signed him on the agreed terms  no one else. A for Cbj if that's what he drives he squandered his money, wasn't he on 15k + at man u?

A lot of us have kids and mortgages and Bill's? Are we going to our boss demanding he top our wages up? No were not. Coz the whole country is in a struggle. So a footballer who is on 3.5-4 grand a WEEK cannot moan that hes not bein paid enough on furlough. People have been struggling to live on furlough. Literally struggling to afford food. They have an agreed wage at their jobs. But they cant demand a top up on furlough. So those footballers who either rejected furlough or wanted a top up off the owner can do one for me until they apologise and see that they were wrong. Its disgusting behaviour when people around the country are losing jobs and struggling to live, and a footballer is moaning that hel only get 2 grand a week. Then asking an owner of a business to top it up when theres businesses up and down the country goin under

[Bristolatic]

Playing devil's advocate here. Does anyone know for certain that this is what Wheater is doing? I don't know, so I'm not pointing any fingers. It could be true, it may not.

 

Is there a possibility that AL simply wants him (and, maybe, Woods) off the books because they're high earners? It's been done before. We want you out, so train with the kids and you don't play.

 

Yep, I could be talking absolute bollocks, but who really knows for certain what is going on? Genuine question.

[mikeroyboy]

One aspect of furlough and the extraordinary times we are all having to cope with is it is quite generous in the majority of cases. While not knowing Wheater’s precise financial position, I will put him in the ‘comfortable’ category. While I have not been furloughed here are a list of financial benefits I, or anyone else,  could have received during lockdown. Only covering 160 miles in my car instead of 1,600. Zero spend on drinks, tiffins, lunches or meals. Zero spend on impulse buys. Zero spend on entry to any historical, entertainment, or keep fit facilities. I got a refund on a  UK holiday with a further saving on fuel and spending costs over a week. I has been extremely difficult to spend money other than in a supermarket. Spending online for any number of things is completely optional and should be dependent on how you are coping financially on furlough.
I do not put Mr Wheater in that category. 

[oafc1955]

1 hour ago, Chris15Arm said:

 

‘a footballer is moaning that he’ll only get 2 grand a week’.

 

Actually Chris it’s only £2500 a month on furlough however I agree with you totally, providing this is the reason for the conflict. As Bristol has said we don’t really know if this is the case....AL has history with this sort of thing and may just be trying to get the high earners out of the club!

[nzlatic]

1 minute ago, oafc1955 said:

‘a footballer is moaning that he’ll only get 2 grand a week’.

 

Actually Chris it’s only £2500 a month on furlough however I agree with you totally, providing this is the reason for the conflict. As Bristol has said we don’t really know if this is the case....AL has history with this sort of thing and may just be trying to get the high earners out of the club!

Exactly.  We don't know Wheater's circumstances and AL does have a history of this.

 

Gerrard was apparently a racist, Byrne apparently deliberately broke a team mates leg, Wheater is apparently asking for loads of top up so he can buy swan's heart paté for his lunch during a global pandemic.  Stuff that doesn't really get proven, but the seed is sown with the fans and the player is humiliated until he eventually goes.  But at least AL can save some cash and replace with a cheaper option eh?  Working wonders so far.

[mick26]

2 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

Exactly.  We don't know Wheater's circumstances and AL does have a history of this.

 

Gerrard was apparently a racist, Byrne apparently deliberately broke a team mates leg, Wheater is apparently asking for loads of top up so he can buy swan's heart paté for his lunch during a global pandemic.  Stuff that doesn't really get proven, but the seed is sown with the fans and the player is humiliated until he eventually goes.  But at least AL can save some cash and replace with a cheaper option eh?  Working wonders so far.

I also find it strange that other clubs in our division don't appear to have had any pay disputes around furlough .