TheBigDog Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 hours ago, PeteG said: Agreed, but if we weren't 91st in the football league the protests would be nothing like they are. So when the national media suggest it's down to results we shouldn't be shocked and in uproar that they don't fully get it. That argument is moot. The protests are exacerbated by the results but the reason for the protests is that AL and ML have screwed up so often over the past few years that the club is dying irrespective of results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Would an Oldham Tameside club work out if say the whole set up was moved to Curzon where there's great training facilities and scope for ground development ? After all Oldham rugby often play at Stalybridge? Wouldn't suit me personally as I live a stones throw from BP, but some may think it acceptable..https://images.app.goo.gl/8orcbonrbPAJMPcA6 Most fans won't entertain anything along the lines of mergers or pheonix clubs. On paper they always look like a financial win win but in reality do bury, Curzen or Rochdale want to be part of another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Just now, maximus1267 said: Most fans won't entertain anything along the lines of mergers or pheonix clubs. On paper they always look like a financial win win but in reality do bury, Curzen or Rochdale want to be part of another club. when the Manchester North End proposal was first suggested it was a different time. imagine a club comprising Bury, Rochdale and Oldham with potential 15 to 20 thousand attendances in the Championship. We could even ask Salford to join with their millions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, maximus1267 said: I know its tough to accept but if football keeps going the way it is, maybe the only way to survive in such football congested areas as Greater Manchester would be to join forces and become one. I know its hard to comprehend but harder for me is no Oldham Athletic. You get that this make no sense, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 minute ago, TheBigDog said: when the Manchester North End proposal was first suggested it was a different time. imagine a club comprising Bury, Rochdale and Oldham with potential 15 to 20 thousand attendances in the Championship. We could even ask Salford to join with their millions And where would this club play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Most fans won't entertain anything along the lines of mergers or pheonix clubs. On paper they always look like a financial win win but in reality do bury, Curzen or Rochdale want to be part of another club. Yeah exactly. You can't apply the laws of the economics to a football club in general. Fans don't behave like rational consumers in some theoretical/abstract marketplace - their brand loyalty literally knows no bounds. Likewise for owners who regularly take decisions to the annoyance of their customer base. That wouldn't happen in any other industry. A merger might work out for PC World and Currys but a football club is far too rooted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I`m ignoring the last few comments about "merged clubs" because it's utter nonsense and yet another sideshow we can do without. The owner is clearly rattled by recent events and it doesn't surprise me. "Loss of face" was always going to be something that rattled him - it's a cultural thing and those who have travelled eastward will understand. I think many fans are of the same opinion; our owner does not appear to be proficient at running a football club (and yes I`m being diplomatic). He needs to go. Some people are still saying "Mo's the problem" etc. - he's not - the owner is the problem. All energy should be focussed on a change of ownership - nothing else really matters in the greater scheme of things. Stay focussed, stay legal (most of the time) and get him out. Finally, I take my hat off to the young men who decided to invade the pitch. Sometimes you know, the law has to be broken to achieve the greater good - history teaches us that time and time again. For far too long, fans have been far too placid. Look what's happened when things have been ramped up just a little bit. Those young lads have achieved more in the blink of an eye than years of any Supporters' Trust initiatives. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: You get that this make no sense, right? Which bit monty ? educate me please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, wiseowl said: I`m ignoring the last few comments about "merged clubs" because it's utter nonsense and yet another sideshow we can do without. The owner is clearly rattled by recent events and it doesn't surprise me. "Loss of face" was always going to be something that rattled him - it's a cultural thing and those who have travelled eastward will understand. I think many fans are of the same opinion; our owner does not appear to be proficient at running a football club (and yes I`m being diplomatic). He needs to go. Some people are still saying "Mo's the problem" etc. - he's not - the owner is the problem. All energy should be focussed on a change of ownership - nothing else really matters in the greater scheme of things. Stay focussed, stay legal (most of the time) and get him out. Finally, I take my hat off to the young men who decided to invade the pitch. Sometimes you know, the law has to be broken to achieve the greater good - history teaches us that time and time again. For far too long, fans have been far too placid. Look what's happened when things have been ramped up just a little bit. Those young lads have achieved more in the blink of an eye than years of any Supporters' Trust initiatives. Well done. Agree with most of that. As for mergers, dont think we are saying its an option, just a different option that is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Which bit monty ? educate me please I suspect @Monty Burns is referring to your comment: "I know its hard to comprehend but harder for me is no Oldham Athletic." Assuming "it[s]" is a reference to a merged club, that (I think most would agree) would also = no Oldham Athletic. It would be a Frankenstein, and I and many others would have nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Bosnian Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: What if it was local and promised big investment? Nope, not interested. It would become another MK Dons, the old fans wouldn't accept it and it would be made up of 'new' fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: I suspect @Monty Burns is referring to your comment: "I know its hard to comprehend but harder for me is no Oldham Athletic." Assuming "it[s]" is a reference to a merged club, that (I think most would agree) would also = no Oldham Athletic. It would be a Frankenstein, and I and many others would have nothing to do with it. Yeh I know what he was getting at just wanted him to elaborate a little more. But yes I fully understand a Manchester North End merger is not Oldham. But is that a better option than nothing if we were to dissapear totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: I suspect @Monty Burns is referring to your comment: "I know its hard to comprehend but harder for me is no Oldham Athletic." Assuming "it[s]" is a reference to a merged club, that (I think most would agree) would also = no Oldham Athletic. It would be a Frankenstein, and I and many others would have nothing to do with it. Well done. Anything else like this happens, get to the neurologist sharpish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsworth blue Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 i could cope with OAFC playing elsewhere than Boundary Park if the club retained its identity (the one I fell in love with, not this current bastardised version) as a short term if that was the cost of independence. If Latics went bust, would consider a Phoenix club but accept it would never be the same as the real thing. No to any merger, could accept groundshare but need our own identity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Yeh I know what he was getting at just wanted him to elaborate a little more. But yes I fully understand a Manchester North End merger is not Oldham. But is that a better option than nothing if we were to dissapear totally. "Manchester North End" is Oldham disappearing totally. I can't believe we've gone all the way from idiots refusing to support us if we moved to parts of Oldham with a Manchester postcode, to now being prepared to consider merging. Trying to maximise support in Tameside? Sure. Grabbing floating fans from Bury? Good luck with that. Pretending to be a Manchester club? Far worse than anything the Lemsagams have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, unsworth blue said: i could cope with OAFC playing elsewhere than Boundary Park if the club retained its identity (the one I fell in love with, not this current bastardised version) as a short term if that was the cost of independence. If Latics went bust, would consider a Phoenix club but accept it would never be the same as the real thing. No to any merger, could accept groundshare but need our own identity Agree on every point. The other side is that Bury don't exist in any meaningful way and Rochdale are doing as well as they ever have in their history. What does anyone gain by a "merger", other than pretending we are from Manchester when we aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, SweeperKeeper said: "Manchester North End" is Oldham disappearing totally. I can't believe we've gone all the way from idiots refusing to support us if we moved to parts of Oldham with a Manchester postcode, to now being prepared to consider merging. Trying to maximise support in Tameside? Sure. Grabbing floating fans from Bury? Good luck with that. Pretending to be a Manchester club? Far worse than anything the Lemsagams have done. Dont think I've said at any point we should do it. I may have said if things keep going the way they are in football we may see such things happening. Sorry for using this platform to discuss such a thing. Wow the reaction of people on here at times is really an eye opener. Pretending to be a manchester club, really !! Maybe I should go back to being just a reader of the forum, too many people on here taking offence at anything other than their own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Dont think I've said at any point we should do it. I may have said if things keep going the way they are in football we may see such things happening. Sorry for using this platform to discuss such a thing. Wow the reaction of people on here at times is really an eye opener. Pretending to be a manchester club, really !! Maybe I should go back to being just a reader of the forum, too many people on here taking offence at anything other than their own opinion. I'm not "taking offence". I am giving my opinion about the idea you raised. It's the point of a forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 hours ago, maximus1267 said: Which bit monty ? educate me please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Dont think I've said at any point we should do it. I may have said if things keep going the way they are in football we may see such things happening. Sorry for using this platform to discuss such a thing. Wow the reaction of people on here at times is really an eye opener. Pretending to be a manchester club, really !! Maybe I should go back to being just a reader of the forum, too many people on here taking offence at anything other than their own opinion. I don't think people take offence, sometimes you can read a reply and just put an aggressive tone on it in your own head. As exile says it's a forum don't take it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Dont think I've said at any point we should do it. I may have said if things keep going the way they are in football we may see such things happening. Sorry for using this platform to discuss such a thing. Wow the reaction of people on here at times is really an eye opener. Pretending to be a manchester club, really !! Maybe I should go back to being just a reader of the forum, too many people on here taking offence at anything other than their own opinion. Get used to it maxi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, League one forever said: Get used to it maxi. I am mate, at work, at home on here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I'd be interested to know what percentage of the current AFC Wimbledon fanbase are "legacy" fans for want of a better term. Not sure where I'd stand if it came to a phoenix club. Hopefully we won't find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1267 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 minute ago, nzlatic said: I'd be interested to know what percentage of the current AFC Wimbledon fanbase are "legacy" fans for want of a better term. Not sure where I'd stand if it came to a phoenix club. Hopefully we won't find out. I find it an interesting subject, I know others on here don't want it discussed as it isn't on topic but the Wimbledon situation is a good example of something can be done. A phoenix club around here, I'm not sure, too conjested imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 A Phoenix club is a brand new club. I’d have zero affinity with it. Not interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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